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Harley quote

Regarding two aftermarket power cables: "These differences in the shapes of the musical waveforms are far too small to see or measure with even the most sophisticated technology, yet we as listeners not only routinely discriminate such differences, we sometimes find musical meaning in these differences."

 Nonsense. Just because people claim to "routinely discriminate" differences doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Apparently many have witnessed UFOs but that doesn't mean they actually saw extraterrestrial visitors, does it? Some have seen/heard a deity speaking to them "routinely"; does that imply that they are surely communing with an unseen/unmeasurable spiritual force(s)? Can we not put a little more effort into confirmatory reality-testing first when "the most sophisticated technology" can find nothing in 2020? (Of course, speaker cables can measure differently as per here, here, even if not necessarily audible in many cases by the time we connect amp to speaker.)

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Regarding two aftermarket power cables: "These differences in the shapes of the musical waveforms are far too small to see or measure with even the most sophisticated technology, yet we as listeners not only routinely discriminate such differences, we sometimes find musical meaning in these differences."

Thus demonstrating why Robert Harley, author of The Complete Guide to High End Audio is a legendary and respected high end audio reviewer. 

Nonsense.

Thus demonstrating why fuzztone is of no consequence, and probably never will be.
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FuzzTone didn’t write it.
I know that comes to a shock to a feeble mind.
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When I grew up, there were four tastes -- sweet, salty, sour, and bitter. Now there is a fifth, umami. Umami was identified, chemically, in 1908 but not understood by biology until the first taste receptors specific to umami were discovered in 2000. Were people tasting umami before their chemical or biological explanations were specified? Surely. Were there folk terms for something science had yet to measure or explain? Sure. "Savory" was one word. It seems reasonable to think that this happens in audio.

At the same time, people who go looking for a sensation -- for whatever reason -- might be able to convince themselves it's there. So, in the end, science settles nothing. We have to listen carefully for ourselves and find ways to test ourselves. And we have to decide whether or not to trust other's testimony that they hear a difference.
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Wow what a load of, "let's start an argument". Cables make a difference it's as simple as that.. Break in, (not burn in) makes a lot of difference.

I've seen some sloppy testing, but this guy takes the cake... 3" cheater wire. 6 hours of break in,, laying on the floor from his Emotiva. Then shows us a graph. BUT the volume wasn't the same the, bla .bla .bla.

What was the question? That's right there wasn't one.  It is just a slam from a person using cheap equipment, that even lamp cord, could have produced the same results..

I've seen the weave from more than one manufacture. The function is for RFI, EFI more than anything.. The construct makes a big difference too.

Apples       Oranges..  Let me see if I can hear a difference on my 60 year old radio shack receiver, to my 70 year old Sears speakers..
Give me those Kimbers, It's gonna sound like a brand new Mac set up...

EVERYTHING about the test was bogus.. The End...

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