A stupid question for which there's no sensible answer.


I know, I know. At least I've labeled it properly.

Here goes: of the following elements of a system, how would you rank their influence on the sound? In other words, generally, which would someone want to upgrade or prioritize, and in what order,  if all of the following pieces were inferior to an amp/preamp and speakers they were happy with? Power cables, connector cables. speaker cables. streaming source, music source, dac (I vote for this one as #1), room treatment, speaker placement, type of chair, earwax quotient, what you ate for lunch, etc.

I hereby give my permission for everyone to tell me this is an idiotic question since the real answer is: it depends. (But I did put a "generally" in there somewhere). Anyway, I prefer that we debate this based on what we've experienced when we've tinkered. So I guess I'm really interested in anecdotes.

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Recording, speakers, room, equalization, and given the quality of today's cheapest electronics and cables, as long as you have proper wattage and resistance, nothing else.
Of course the room impacts the sound quality most @mahgister. That’s a given. My cousin has a basic system in a converted warehouse with extremely high ceilings and a concrete floor. The room is completely open, slightly rectangular and must be 2500-5000 square feet. His system sounds amazing with NO treatments since none are needed. I think his system is under $2K or so with turntable, receiver and speakers. Biggest % in his turntable (used Rega P5 with mid Grado cartridge).
That’s why I mentioned the Linn paper and the source being most important - for him it is. the room treatments can’t fix a terrible room.
the room treatments can’t fix a terrible room.
Yes you are right if someone dont have a room to fix....The source is important, but then the vibrations and the electrical grid noise floor are on par with the source quality and these 2 are also way underestimated in their destructive S.Q. power...Source is important but source is part of a complex problem... This is my point... And few make it in audio thread...

For the room problem, any room can be fix if mine can, a 13x13x8feet1/2 irregular room where one speaker big box is in a corner the other not....With 2 windows...

There is more ways to fix acoustic of a room that there is a number of materials solutions proposed and sold by acoustic retailers...We also must add to the passive treatment and work with active one (non electronic one in my case) ordinary resonators of different size, conventional Helmholtz bottles, non conventional Helmholtz tubes and pipes, Shumann generators grid, ionizer(non ozone one) and a few others....Acoustic retailer dont propose that much... But it is the tools with which we can deal with bass and very high frequencies problems in a difficult room... And there is plenty others i did not bother to try and which are very powerful ... Then....

I bought nothing for that job except peanuts costs products , i did it myself, with results so astounding that my system bear no resemblance at all with before and after....If i can do it myself, a non crafty hand reader of books, anybody can.... Trust in your ears and experiments is the way....Trust in our own ears are not recommended by techno fad ....But a room is created for ONLY your particularly designed ears not for a crowd...We must then use these ears we own first and all along.... The results will sound natural FOR our ears....The goal is the vibraphone and piano sound must be distinctly perceived in their own space with a distinct timbral tone and his aural varying colors and hues with his decreasing decay all that filling the room 3-d and not coming from the speakers.... When you reach that you dont speculate about a source change or an upgrade....

A bad room does not exist for creative mind, only difficult one...Those who said the opposite sells ready made generic acoustical solutions and dont want to waste too much time on difficult room...Paying an acoustician will do but will be costly if the room is difficult to tame....

All small room exhibit very different geometry , very different topology (doors, windows, and openings space) and very different materials content (with different acoustical properties of absorption, diffusion or reflection unbalanced) all that ask for specific acoustical controls not only passive materials treatment.... A small "bad" room is not a vast theater where acoustic law are simpler to apply in a linear way....

I am conscious that what i propose cannot be deal so easily with in a common room or a living room...That is the big problem... And i can only say that this illustrated my final point, more than source, a dedicated treated and controlled room is the main center of audiophile search.... Not the choice of a dac or of an amplifier.... Blind upgrade consumerism motivated by unsatisfaction is not the way.... Most good audio system can deliver very high S.Q. unbeknownst to their owner because they never listen to them in their optimal working controlled dimensions, what i called their embeddings...

Audiophile experience dont cost money at all, it cost thinking ears, and a room to set..... I proved for myself that the materials cost peanuts.... My room is absolutely not perfect and perhaps not even optimal.... But listening music i think that my room IS perfect....It is not a a deceptive illusion if you listen the piano like a real piano.... I dont wanted perfection to begins with, only good musical experience.... Thats all....


@sokogear  you state  "room treatments can’t fix a terrible room". Then what can fix it?

All rooms need acoustic treatment whether you think they do or not. Fact. Any enclosed space will have a modal problem and it is this that the treatment addresses.

Anybody serious about the resulting sound should invest in a mic.(cheap) and a program like REW (free) and set about methodically lowering the peaks and filling in the nulls. It's not guesswork, there is a target response to strive for.

In a recent post on this subject I mentioned a mate with a small almost square room with no carpet, only one flimsy drape and very little else. Think tilled bathroom acoustics. Truly dreadful. He has a lot of money tied up and is constantly spending more trying different components. He has a collection of very expensive cartridges that he keeps trying in the hope of improving the sound. All the fine detail the carts. are capable of is simply lost in the mess of sound waves banging around his room untamed. Last time i visited he had Spread Spectrum Technologies amplification and had replaced his Appogees with Maggies.

His sound is thin, has no soundstage, is congested and is dynamically constipated!  I one day showed up with a bunch of rockwool panels and placed them mostly in the corners to treat lower frequencies. There was a transformation that totaly stunned him and his wife who I noticed was in tears.

I know that some who read this will think I'm overstating the positive effect there was. It was significant and that was without any measurement. The experiment was merely to show my stubborn idiot mate what was possible.


Can the elements in a complicated room cancel/balance themselves off so that it ends up being a good room for sound. For example, slanted, high wooden ceilings and wall-to-wall carpeting, and windows and absorbing furniture all seem as though they add weight on either side of bright or muffled, but perhaps they can cancel each other out? Just wondering.