Which speakers did you find bright, fatiguing or just disappointing in some way?


OK, controversial subject but it needs asked. I'm curious for your experiences, mainly in your home, not a dealer and esp. not a show demo
greg7
 I responded to a specific objection to the speaker, not a broad one.
What was the objection? Bright and harsh? In which case I will ask you again. Why is it odd that some people think a speaker, in this case the GMA, sounds bright and harsh whereas others dont? Could it not be equally odd that you fail to hear the brightness and harshness that others have reported? Could it be that you have hearing loss? Could it be that you are refusing to admit the truth? Could it be that you have bad hearing? There are clearly many possibilities that would need to be looked at.
Why don't you do readers a favor now, and stop polluting this thread with your biased, and frequently dishonest posts.
Why would my opinions be biased? for what purpose? If they sounded world class, why would i lie and say they sounded horrible? I'm afraid your argument makes no sense. You are the one that is biased because you believed everything Johnson said despite there being no evidence. You have been duped I'm afraid. You refuse to condemn the fact that Johnson had a proclivity to having posts that were inconvenient deleted. You have nothing to say about the reasons I mentioned that the GMA sounded bright and harsh. Face it. You are in denial. 
@kenjit

If I had a nickel for every time you were dishonest in your posts, I’d be able to purchase some very fancy cables.

Of the many archived posts relating to the subject speaker, the "bright and harsh" complaint is almost never found, and the vast majority of reactions are quite positive. It’s that simple. The specific criticism is very uncommon, hence the logical question of whether or not the problem may have been related to something other than the speakers themselves.

But wait … let me guess. Your next painful (for all readers) contortion will be to argue that all of those who liked the speakers may have been suffering from hearing loss, and were therefore unable to discern the brightness and harshness.

smh

@uncledemp ,

"Humans mean-mouthing humans over stereos, really? It’s a stereo. You’d insult and fight with someone over a stereo?"


Maybe not me and you, but for some dealers, manufacturers and designers, their very livelihood may depend upon the success of their products.

Perhaps it’s might be more helpful to the designers if we could be more specific about any perceived problems we encounter in our experience with various loudspeakers?

It can’t be easy of course.

I heard some very highly regarded 2 way floorstanders a few years back and was very close to buying them there and then.

What stopped me was the way they reproduced John Lennon’s vocals on Across the Universe. They were simply plain wrong. I’d never heard Lennon’s voice sound like that in the mid/lower register before.

It seemed to be an issue with the way the tweeter was crossing over to the woofer and switching to a tube amp didn’t make the issue go away.

The tweeter happened to be the Seas Excel, a renowned and not inexpensive design.

So I could only assume that the designer, perhaps in his wish for optimal dispersion had crossed it over at just a little too low a point for its comfort.

It was a shame as that design was otherwise a highly revealing one and unusually clean through rest of its operating range.
What stopped me was the way they reproduced John Lennon’s vocals on Across the Universe. They were simply plain wrong. I’d never heard Lennon’s voice sound like that in the mid/lower register before.
Very interesting, and reminds me of this interesting quote from Alan Shaw, designer of Harbeth speakers:

The core issue is this. Forget music entirely. Imagine that it never existed, had never been invented. Play well recorded human speech on those so-called high end speakers and the vast majority - practically all of them - have colorations, peculiarities, weird subjective characteristics that are in many cases simply laughable.

So then, why will you never find a hifi reviewer who even attempts to grade loudspeakers by listening to human speech over them? Absurd and pathetic, considering that we are surrounded by speech - not music - all day and every day, and unsurprisingly, our ear/brain is finely tuned to interpreting extremely subtle nuances in speech, even on a telephone line. If we were to be talking now on the restricted bandwidth of a phone line, we could understand each other’s emotions, guess at our age and education, probably income, detect if we are being truthful or concealing something, decide if we are friendly or trying to deceive us or sell us something and so on just by microscopic nuanced changes in loudness, pitch, strain and delivery. Human speech is the ultimate loudspeaker test tool because of the way it can impose its own nature on the underlying subtleties of reproduced speech, changing the listener’s interpretation a little or a lot.