When is digital going to get the soul of music?


I have to ask this(actually, I thought I mentioned this in another thread.). It's been at least 25 years of digital. The equivalent in vinyl is 1975. I am currently listening to a pre-1975 album. It conveys the soul of music. Although digital may be more detailed, and even gives more detail than analog does(in a way), when will it convey the soul of music. This has escaped digital, as far as I can tell.
mmakshak
Learsfool, My friend who works for very large recording studio said that they got rid of very expensive analog tape recorders more than 10 years ago and everything since is done digital. Your ears, being in orchestra, plus experience with live instrument sounds, is better than mine (I'm sure), but how many people can tell just by listening if LP was recorded from analog or digital tape? I cannot do that, but even if I could detect small sound difference I would still prefer version without hiss of analog tape.

Such hiss can be suppressed in CD playback by de-emphasis but as far as I know cannot be removed from LP playback. On the other hand - de-emphasis feature of CD players is almost never used since everything is recorded digital (no tape noise) these days.
Sorry, silly typo's earlier ... obviously I meant " ... how can you can know when the sound has gone "astray"? How do you know ..."

Frank
Learsfool, My friend who works for very large recording studio said that they got rid of very expensive analog tape recorders more than 10 years ago and everything since is done digital.

And many sites such as Apple have no intention of offering LP or master tape dubs because they make millions selling MP3.

Lets not confuse commercial interests with quality.

I have friends in the recording business and all of them say analog is still the best. There are high resolution files that pretty much equal analog but we mortals here at Audiogon have NO access to them.

Audiogon is about audiophiles and love of music. I understand the desire to make CD the best it can be, there are thousands of titles on CD that may never be on any other format. BUT as for best reproduction regardless of format, analog is still the best available to us as consumers, even if the master was digital.

I've explained that in other posts but can repeat here if you wish.
For me it is only issue of playback, since I cannot tell analog from digital master (other than hiss of tape). I believe it is better to allocate all resources into digital than building two systems (since LP selection is so limited).

Again, LP playback might be perfect but it doesn't "sound" good to my ears:

- clicks and pops
- wear of the media
- very limited selection
- inability to listen to whole record at once
- difficulty in changing tracks
- no playlists
- no way to make backup
- no server
- no wireless
- no remote
- constant cleaning
- maintenance of the hardware
- cost of supplies (including stylus)
- wow and flutter
- rumble
- feedback
Frank, Kijanki, some very good questions. I'll do my best to answer them briefly. I'll start with Frank's discussion of playback at the recording site. I have had to record myself, or have a professional record me, more times than I care to count. More than a few times, I have convinced the engineer (always when it was a personal friend) to experiment with me, using both an analog and a digital set-up. I assure you, there are clearly heard differences between what is heard in the hall live, what is on the analog recording, and what is on the digital recording. It's a fun experiment to do, listening to the differences in timbre, and to the sense of space, or as audiophiles would have it, soundstaging and imaging and bloom and other such terms.

As far as orchestral recording goes, what I was thinking of was the difference between say recordings from the 50's and 60's, the so-called "golden age" of orchestral recording, and the way it is done digitally today. In the golden age, pretty much all of the best labels just hung a couple of mikes up out in the hall (or in the case of Mercury, high above the orchestra, usually about 15 to 20 feet, if I remember correctly). There was then very little done to the recording in the way of mixing, in the modern sense. Done in this way, the recording sounds about as close as it can get to what it actually sounds like to a live audience member sitting in the best seats in the hall.

Today, in a typical orchestral recording session, there may be as many as twenty mikes onstage, as well as overhead. Almost never are any placed out in the hall anymore. These mikes are much closer to the instruments than they should be, and then all of these separate tracks have to be mixed, which is almost never done on site (with the reference to the live sound). The resulting mix is therefore more what the engineer thinks sounds good (often even the conductor is not involved anymore, except on site) rather than a re-creation of what the performance actually sounded like in the space it was recorded in. You lose much more of the sense of a real space on this type of recording. And this is not to even go into how many edits are done nowadays compared to in the past. Often, what you are listening to on a modern orchestra recording has no real resemblance to any single take that was actually done. This is one reason why many people complain that modern orchestras do not sound as "musical" somehow as the older ones did - the "life" they are missing has indeed been taken out by the process. The average symphonic recording nowadays has hundreds of edits on it.

So to the playback - on a well-done recording, tape hiss is all but inaudible, and if one takes good care of their LP's, one can get dozens if not hundreds of plays from many of them without ever hearing a pop or crackle. Other times, these things are very audible; sometimes the pressing was bad and there is nothing one can do about it. Regardless, this is merely surface noise. I personally will put up with this if it means that I get a more accurate (meaning lifelike) representation/resolution of the sound of the instruments and voices I am listening to, and a better sense of the space that they are in (which, of course, very much affects their performance, which will change in subtle ways in a different venue on a tour, for example). Analog recording captures these things so much better than digital recording does - this is easily demonstrated on any decent system. There is no mistaking the difference between the best orchestral recordings of the golden age, and the ones done today that may have much less surface noise, but sound so much more characterless in comparison (speaking of the recording, of course, not the performance).