If you don't have a wide sweet spot, are you really an audiophile?


Hi, it’s me, professional audio troll. I’ve been thinking about something as my new home listening room comes together:

The glory of having a wide sweet spot.

We focus far too much on the dentist chair type of listener experience. A sound which is truly superb only in one location. Then we try to optimize everything exactly in that virtual shoebox we keep our heads in. How many of us look for and optimize our listening experience to have a wide sweet spot instead?

I am reminded of listening to the Magico S1 Mk II speakers. While not flawless one thing they do exceptionally well is, in a good room, provide a very good, stable stereo image across almost any reasonable listening location. Revel’s also do this. There’s no sudden feeling of the image clicking when you are exactly equidistant from the two speakers. The image is good and very stable. Even directly in front of one speaker you can still get a sense of what is in the center and opposite sides. You don’t really notice a loss of focus when off axis like you can in so many setups.

Compare and contrast this with the opposite extreme, Sanders' ESL’s, which are OK off axis but when you are sitting in the right spot you suddenly feel like you are wearing headphones. The situation is very binary. You are either in the sweet spot or you are not.

From now on I’m declaring that I’m going all-in on wide-sweet spot listening. Being able to relax on one side of the couch or another, or meander around the house while enjoying great sounding music is a luxury we should all attempt to recreate.
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I think those who cavalierly toss the "high end audio gear" salad around and garnish it with Audiophile dressing like to talk shop to each other but not really seek best solutions. Klipsch Cinema systems have been doing this for a LONG time and generally have at least 104db efficiency and are capable of providing stereo sound in a huge sweet spot. Of course these Klipsch systems don't come with Audiogon bragging rights. All they come with is superb and superior sound quality and high efficiency.
  So, how long did it take you to figure this out besides way to long?
 
Darned right ieales." There can never be a surplus in image specificity. If one can localize the source, it's a fatal flaw. Frequency response beyond a certain point is irrelevant. Imaging is about PHASE and TIME. Most systems are appalling on those parameters. "
  I bet hardly any Audiogon commenters set things up with DSP and bi or tri amping and have no clue.
Frequency response beyond a certain point is irrelevant. Imaging is about PHASE and TIME. Most systems are appalling on those parameters.
It is not my gear and his "superiority" over other brand that give me my imaging.... It is my acoustic settings and controls in my room...With also some controls over electrical grid noise and over mechanical noise... But the main cause is acoustical controls...


I bet hardly any Audiogon commenters set things up with DSP and bi or tri amping and have no clue.
Audio thread are filled with electronic design market mythology, not by acoustical laws and subtleties....

People not knowing acoustic use partial electronic solutions that could be useful as tool if they were not used replacing acoustic itself by limited programs...

A room is not a passive set of walls nor for the speakers neither for the ears.....

I am not a scientist just an average guy able to give to himself at low cost audiophile experience without buying anything....The opposite experience to all audio thread mythology.....




The question is not to know if your system is good or the best.... The question is how do we install our actual system optimally in his 3 working embeddings dimensions... The most important one being the acoustical one....No upgrade are most of the times necessary.....Contrary to all audio market conditioning...
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As a recording engineer I am blown away you would claim this. This is totally not true. Timing is true in the live music world, but for playback, most of our imaging with the exception of specific dual microphone setups rarely used, imaging is primarily volume, and phase does not play into it, not even one little bit as long as the phase response is consistent on each channel.




It is incredible that you make the same mistake about imaging than about the timbre concept not knowing that it is necessary to take into account the acoustical settings of the room to recreate the timbre "envelope" perception rightfully...

For imaging, the distance between 2 speakers must be optimal at a precise critical point, and their location in the room will also play a role, to create a center image ... Then this distance between the speakers would need some precise room acoustic settings to work optimally in timing and phase....

You cannot replace acoustic....By a better files or recording technology....With an A.I. we will be able but it is not the actual matter of this thread....

What we hears dont come from the speakers, it come from the speakers modified by the room acoustical settings.....All information in the world in a digital files or on some vinyl cannot be recreated in a bad room.... Even if all the information of the source could be perfect...And it is never neither perfect nor complete anyway....We need acoustic not only bits....

Imaging is not a phenomenon reducible entirely to recording technique it is also for the listener a live musical event, then an event where acoustic play his part....It is the result of the acoustic sum of the room and the system....It is the same conditions for the timbre experience recreation for the listener , it is the result of the sum of the room and the system...No recording technique can REPRODUCE perfectly the original timbre event...we need the settings of the room acoustic to recreate it optimally...



Ok i am not an engineer only an average audiophile....But it is my experience and experiments....