Dear @roxy54 : "
the measurements of those speakers are far from being without fault, but that's ok, because you like the way they sound, right? And THAT is the whole point. "
You are rigth because there is no perfect speaker but only can hope to approach that " perfect " but we have to remember the room intrinsecal realtionship with any speaker quality level performance.
Now my " new " and vintage ADS L2030 is not only a normal speaker and the whole point is not precisely: " you like the way it sound ", there are several issues behind it and we have to understand those issues. Look, if you make the things rigth that " like " with any audio item will comes per sé.
In the past Telarc asked to ADS to design and build a speakers to monitor its recording LPs and ADS made it a dedicated truly full range speakers that were mated with Threshold electronics. The success of this design was for Telarc and ADS so outstanding than ADS decided to design a new monitors and then born the L2030 and L1530 that were used for Telarc in all its recording LPs. These speakers are true monitors and what this word means. Here you can read and look about:
http://sportsbil.com/ads/l-2030-brochure.pdf
@ditusa posted to Dave: " they sound "great" that, is your measurement. "
that statement seems rigth but in reality it's not. I'm not talking of what we like but what is rigth that's different approach.
Next statement came from Roxy:
"" measurements that YOU consider to be important are in practice NOT important. ""
who told you? that in the past almost no body cares about THD/IMD speaker distortions does not means today no body cares yet.
Both measures of that kind of speaker distortions are way important and manufacturers know it but the levels are so high that they decided not to disclose it.
At the end they take advantage of that low knowledge audiophile level with that " like " as the " measurements ".
Next link try to explain something about and proves the necessity/urgency to put at minimum the IMD/THD levels specially at speakers bass range that's the name of the audiophile game:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/wilson-alexx-v/post?postid=2126914#2126914
http://www.laassoluta.com/intro.htm
https://legacyaudio.com/images/uploads/reviews/Legacy_Aeris_Axpona_2014_Positive_Feedback_Robert_You...
https://www.sonusfaber.com/en/products/aida/
this Aida passive speaker design is a great one because its bass range crossover are at 55hz and 150hz. Please any one of you ask the designer why he choosed those crossover points. Just do it if you want to learn and grow up about.
In that thread I gave my advise to the OP gentleman as an alternative to those Wilson Alexx V:
https://www.kerracoustic.com/k300
with this Xover:
https://www.fmacoustics.com/products/electronic-crossovers/fm-330-series/
these could be the subs:
https://www.evolutionacoustics.com/loudspeakers/mini-series/minisub/?doing_wp_cron=1615566000.556648...
We audiophiles are accustomed to like several wrong " things " and it's not our culprit but culprit coming from the teach ( bad and corrupted teaching. ) of the AHEE where all we belongs.
One way or the other almost all of you are " against " my posts about but please let me know which Cornwall IV owner has its set up using subwoofers not as bass range reinforcement but crossing at 80hz-90hz where the main speakers are handled from there and up?
If no one of you, even with other kind of speakers , have not that first hand experiences how could have a credible opinion. From where can comes that " certainty " that you think you have?
Try to be objective about the whole issue because at the end is only COMMON SENSE and nothing more.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
You are rigth because there is no perfect speaker but only can hope to approach that " perfect " but we have to remember the room intrinsecal realtionship with any speaker quality level performance.
Now my " new " and vintage ADS L2030 is not only a normal speaker and the whole point is not precisely: " you like the way it sound ", there are several issues behind it and we have to understand those issues. Look, if you make the things rigth that " like " with any audio item will comes per sé.
In the past Telarc asked to ADS to design and build a speakers to monitor its recording LPs and ADS made it a dedicated truly full range speakers that were mated with Threshold electronics. The success of this design was for Telarc and ADS so outstanding than ADS decided to design a new monitors and then born the L2030 and L1530 that were used for Telarc in all its recording LPs. These speakers are true monitors and what this word means. Here you can read and look about:
http://sportsbil.com/ads/l-2030-brochure.pdf
@ditusa posted to Dave: " they sound "great" that, is your measurement. "
that statement seems rigth but in reality it's not. I'm not talking of what we like but what is rigth that's different approach.
Next statement came from Roxy:
"" measurements that YOU consider to be important are in practice NOT important. ""
who told you? that in the past almost no body cares about THD/IMD speaker distortions does not means today no body cares yet.
Both measures of that kind of speaker distortions are way important and manufacturers know it but the levels are so high that they decided not to disclose it.
At the end they take advantage of that low knowledge audiophile level with that " like " as the " measurements ".
Next link try to explain something about and proves the necessity/urgency to put at minimum the IMD/THD levels specially at speakers bass range that's the name of the audiophile game:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/wilson-alexx-v/post?postid=2126914#2126914
http://www.laassoluta.com/intro.htm
https://legacyaudio.com/images/uploads/reviews/Legacy_Aeris_Axpona_2014_Positive_Feedback_Robert_You...
https://www.sonusfaber.com/en/products/aida/
this Aida passive speaker design is a great one because its bass range crossover are at 55hz and 150hz. Please any one of you ask the designer why he choosed those crossover points. Just do it if you want to learn and grow up about.
In that thread I gave my advise to the OP gentleman as an alternative to those Wilson Alexx V:
https://www.kerracoustic.com/k300
with this Xover:
https://www.fmacoustics.com/products/electronic-crossovers/fm-330-series/
these could be the subs:
https://www.evolutionacoustics.com/loudspeakers/mini-series/minisub/?doing_wp_cron=1615566000.556648...
We audiophiles are accustomed to like several wrong " things " and it's not our culprit but culprit coming from the teach ( bad and corrupted teaching. ) of the AHEE where all we belongs.
One way or the other almost all of you are " against " my posts about but please let me know which Cornwall IV owner has its set up using subwoofers not as bass range reinforcement but crossing at 80hz-90hz where the main speakers are handled from there and up?
If no one of you, even with other kind of speakers , have not that first hand experiences how could have a credible opinion. From where can comes that " certainty " that you think you have?
Try to be objective about the whole issue because at the end is only COMMON SENSE and nothing more.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.