Classical Music for Aficionados
Rok, I've discovered some things that I like, but this is not my "universe"; I'm like a football player with cleats on a basketball court, or a basketball player on a football field. We created "Jazz For Aficionados", but there is no way I'm going back unless you got my back, and I know you know what I mean. |
To the best of my knowledge I don’t think the Vienna would put up with any Conductor going that far ! I have seen that in live concert. Not a few think they are the best orchestra in the world , they sure do.I don’t, but so close I would never argue about it . I may be dreaming but I feel at the opening bars you can see whether a band is going with a conductor or not . Look at the Munich Phil and Celibidache or Mazur with his Gewandhaus to see the I’m with you all the way. Which is why I was not happy when Mazur went to New York. My late wife and I had seen him a hundred times with his DDR Orchesta, 3 $ in Leipzig .Few know Americans could go around in East Germany no problem . This is my idea of can not be better , totally different and I weep when I hear this adagio ! https://youtu.be/GbtCChVk0lA?t=3 P.S. Whenever I see Ormandy I think, now there is a honest man . suble |
Orchestras can be ruthless with a conductor that they don’t like or respect. You are entirely correct. One can pick up on how the orchestra feels about a conductor simply by the way that they welcome the maestro when he walks out unto the stage; and the performance will reflect that. It can be obvious enthusiasm, or just obviously obligatory half smiles. Watch the speed and unanimity (or lack of) with which the players rise to their feet. It may be subtle, but always obvious. |
This is my idea of can not be better , totally different and I weep when I hear this adagio !WOW! i will go look for all Celidache set Barber +Shostakovtich... Staggering difference between these 2 marvellous interpretation... In one, Ormandy, my heart is feeling embedded in time, the tragedy is out there again filling me completely like water filled a cup...It is like re-living the event in this life, a living memory which accompanies me... In the other, Celibidache, the tragedy is there, but completely transcended, and the feeling is now a participating wave in eternity.... It is like living the event after our death revealing all truth about it.... These 2 are the best interpretation i listen to for this Barber masterpiece....Impossible to chose between these 2.... Thanks schubert for the discovery.... |
Frogman; PLEASE look at the Celibidache Op 11. The Munchner was always a decent orchestra . What he has done to them is unreal. Few Days ago I got a glance over the back of Bloomstead on a DVD . The players looked like dogs waiting for a bone . Well into his 90’s and still in demand ! I sat into a rehearsal about 30 years ago with him and the Radio Orch. in Berlin (one step behind the Phil) .He stood there and asked THEM what they thought for a half-hour ! |
