Equalization for vinyl nirvana


Hi all,

I have a question for the Audiogon and vinyl community: do you think equalization is helpful for getting good results with vinyl playback? I ask because I'm a vinyl newbie. Recently added a nice turntable and phono preamp to my rig and have slowly been collecting the recommended audiophile jazz, blues and rock albums that I like. But with few exceptions, most of the time I'm underwhelmed by the results. Lack of bass and midrange fullness is usually the problem. Sure, I could look for another amplifier, subwoofer, better cables... but I think a simpler, more affordable solution would be to get some Eq in the loop. So I just put an order in for a Schitt Loki+ 4-band equalizer. Figure it's a low-cost way to test the theory. 

Do any of you have similar experiences or related wisdom to share?

I'm also curious about the Sunvalley All Purpose Phono Eq that Herb Reichert loves, that has adjustable eq curves (https://www.stereophile.com/content/gramophone-dreams-42-sunvalley-audio-sv-eq1616d-phono-equalizer), as well as the Decware ZRock2 eq (https://www.decware.com/newsite/ZROCK.html).

Thanks for your help!
Josh
joshindc
joshindc
... with few exceptions, most of the time I’m underwhelmed by the results. Lack of bass and midrange fullness is usually the problem. Sure, I could look for another amplifier, subwoofer, better cables... but I think a simpler, more affordable solution would be to get some Eq in the loop. So I just put an order in for a Schitt Loki+ 4-band equalizer ...
If most of your LPs sound bad, then I do not think an EQ will resolve your issues. The problem is elsewhere.

Yes, there are some recordings that may benefit from mild EQ, but they should really be the exception.
All recordings are flawed. Some are worse than others. EQ is just putting a bandaid on a wound. I never use it! Learn to accept reality! 
Phono preamps definitely sound ok, good, great, and I advise having the option of return for any phono preamp. However, what you are describing/intending is far from normal.

I agree, something else is wrong, additional eq after RIAA phono eq should NOT be needed, especially for all LP's.

RIAA phono equalization 'curve' grew into the standard for the LP recording/playback industry. ALL modern LP's are cut using reduced bass and boosted highs as per the RIAA spec. ALL modern Phono preamps boost the bass and cut the highs as per the RIAA spec. Minor, very minor differences result, by random parts deviation, or by designer's intentions, repeat very minor.

Prior to that, various recording/playback equalization 'curves' existed. Some phono stages, like the Sunvalley you mentioned, offer the RIAA standard, AND optional curves, intended for playing ancient lps recorded with those historically optional eq curves. Yes, you can use them with modern LP's but that is not their intention. This exists for Reel to Reel tapes also, early eq curves until a standard emerged.

LP, ' long playing' records, getting more content on a disk, was made possible by cutting the bass during recording (thus physically smaller width grooves were needed), and, like Dolby later, boosting the highs helped to reduce noise on playback.

Is your cartridge MM or MC?

Perhaps your Phono Eq has internal optional switches, resistors, settings for various cartridges, and current settings are 'bad' for your cartridge.

I would check with the manufacturer, and, go to eBay or Amazon, pick something you can return, try it, all should be well. If not you have problems down the line.