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To hear some say that they've never tried a product and then go onto compare it with homeopathic products and the like is silly. SR products are out there for the sampling but that doesn't seem to meet the ever changing goalposts as now they want scientific documentation before they even consider listening to it? That's what's called dealing in bad faith. When someone as steeped in audio who should have easy access to what they claim doesn't work (what with all their connections in the field) refuses to even listen to it speaks volumes to their inauthentic stance. Going off into the weeds chasing red herrings and strawmen, arguing about something else other than the subject and conflating those results with the subject is again, doing so in bad faith. Just listen to it. All the best, Nonoise |
Thanks to anton_stepichev and to phasemonger... I just ordered the book about sounds hearing... I am also interested by linguistic and phonology ....Then two birds with one stone...The author of this article wrote also about speech perception of tone in the yoruba language... Speech perception and musical perception are linked by evolution.... It will be interesting reads....I like books perhaps more than music.....It was my work to advise how to read.... I will read it waiting prof answers to my posts..... 😁😊 But it is more easy to attack cables customers here they are easy targets, than reply to sound arguments.... In psychoacoustic science "measurement explain all" make no sense....I even doubt that he understand that.... Audio experience is for us a psychoacoustic phenomena and experience and experiment first and last, and is not MAINLY an electrical design property easy to deduce from dials readings with some measuring apparatus... Then distrusting hearing ability to learn in a set of audio listenings experiments and promoting instead blind test is ridiculous like it is ridiculous to buy a "tweaks" because his marketing publicity advocate quantum effects.... Stupidity has many faces....But many see it with only one face.... It is the Bible straw and beam story..... |
@prof I did not make the diamond analogy, you did. A diamond has intrinsic value as a gemstone, so if somebody sold a rock as a diamond that is clearly fraud and a crime. Audiophile cables and fuses are sold to improve the sound of the Audiophile's system. These items are in fact cables and fuses so there is no fraud wrt what they are. The value is dependent on what the listener hears....i.e., what makes them happy. As you say, "snake oil is a euphemism for deceptive marketing." That opens a huge door covering many products and industries. However, a fuse is still a fuse and a cable still a cable. Even if the SR stuff makes no measurable difference, cannot be selected in blind listening tests, and costs a fraction of the selling price to build, - if the buyer/user perceives the advertised level of improvement then so what? Does that validate the marketing? Maybe not, who knows? Would I pay their prices for cables or fuses - no way. Do I believe the value to me in sonic improvements to my system would justify the prices - not in my world. Do I believe in the seemingly weird science and technology they use to justify the performance of the tweaky products they sell - nope. However, I do not begrudge those who do believe in the value and want to spend the money. On the other side of the coin, I also appreciate the folks like Gene who present opposing viewpoints and especially when they make technical arguments supported with measurements. Amir Majidimehr over at Audio Science Review provides measurements and has a way of reporting facts as he believes them to be, without judging the product or manufacturer. That is the great thing about free speech and free enterprise, we do our research and vote with our wallets - nobody can make me pay for Ted's Ferrari. |
