The Absurdity of it All


50-60-70 year old ears stating with certainty that what they hear is proof positive of the efficacy of analog, uber-cables, tweaks...name your favorite latest and greatest audio "advancement." How many rock concerts under the bridge? Did we ever wear ear protection with our chain saws? Believe what you will, but hearing degrades with age and use and abuse. To pontificate authority while relying on damaged goods is akin to the 65 year old golfer believing his new $300 putter is going to improve his game. And his game MAY get better, but it is the belief that matters. Everything matters, but the brain matters the most.
jpwarren58
Interesting discussion.  Thanks for (almost) all of the comments.

I'm going to make the point early in my comments that even with compromised hearing with age we can have a listening experience as enjoyable and engaging (if not more) as when we had our youthful "20/20" hearing.  I'll get back this in later.

As I understand it, hearing degradation occurs primarily at higher frequencies.  Our perception of the world stays pretty well intact thru the majority of the frequency ranges.  The fundamentals of instruments, voices and other things that make music recognizable and enjoyable are still there.  And, bottom end still moves lots of air, and our clothing at full listening levels.  We also can perceive changes in amplitude (dynamic range) whether it be as dramatic as a cymbal crash, raging guitar pushing itself out from the rest of the instruments as well as subtle vibrato and trailing voices (micro dynamics).  As BB King stated:  "It's not the notes I play, it's the space between them."  Yes, our "clocks" still work and we can perceive rhythm and those "dark backgrounds" between the notes.  Our "antennas" are still sensitive enough to pick up spacial information, send it to our (aging) brains to align and position instruments in space.  Yes, our systems can still present a believable soundstage, place instruments and voices in a 3-dimensional space, and create a virtual center channel in the space between our speakers.  In other words, our "old" ears can still capture the essence of great performances and send them to our brains in good enough shape so we can still marvel at miracle of having the energy and presence of deceased musicians standing (or, sitting) in our living rooms.

Now back to the opening comment.  I have to acknowledge that my hearing has deteriorated.  The delicacy of extended high frequencies is missing in action.  However, over 40-50 years I have become a better listener.  In the 70's I wasn't listening for micro dynamics and dark backgrounds as I am today.  I have also developed a profound appreciation for gifted musicians, producers, conductors, song writers, and those who produce the hardware that contribute to those speaker cones moving back and forth coupling with the air that creates the sounds that I hear that brain interprets that sends a message to my mouth to smile.

As an "audio guy" who sold decent gear for all of my adult life, I often heard the comment:  "Well, my hearing isn't very good.  I don't need waste money on anything special."  My reply went something like this:  "So, if your eyes aren't very good, your best friends are large, dark print on white paper in good light.  Correct?  If you're ears aren't what they once were, your best friends are increased dynamic range, focus, detail and a more defined space between the notes."

The goals of better audio are not inconsistent with hearing loss.  In fact, hearing loss easy justifies the investment in better gear.
@perkri

 
I live with changes, adjustments, components in my system for a while so as to become numb to the changes. I need to hear the thing for what it is, what I like and what I dislike. That takes some time for my brain to shift to the new norm. Then I make changes. 
My exact way of assessment. I learned it by accident . But I learned it

Listening is a skill, hearing is a matter of biology...
Ditto
The best ears in the world are old musicians and especially healthy  orchestra maestros of 80 years old...

A thing i dont understand is the "doubt"  about  their experience feeling  by many....

Clean all doubts about your own hearing abilities and listen with relaxation and trust...

I am 70 years old with an average hearing degradation for my age...

I created devices and hundreds of changes in my system, and fine tune by ears my 32 tubes and pipes mechanical equalizer.... It takes times...

I never think that i had a good listening power over other people before and in fact i am pretty sure that my ability are very average....

BUT I TRUST MY EARS COMPLETELY and listen relaxed after each of my experiments....

I listen to my feeling, is it good? Is it bad? is it an improvement.... And i trust my feeling on the spot without even thinking....We listen with our BODY not only our ears, then trust your feeling without inner contestation.... Simply listen, relax, open your ears body and soul, let the feeling emerge with the sound and corresponding to the sound and you will know without error this si such or such  for me.... Simple...

After all that my system is so good for me, nothing will give me the insane costly  idea to upgrade.... All that make a system perfect, for sure on a degree which is the degree of optimal sound quality for what i have in ratio S.Q/price...But NO youtube costly system trash completely mine even the more costly.... They are better sometimes on all counts but not so much better and often they are non musical, harsh, fatiguing etc....

My Sansui amplifier or Mission cyrus speakers are not the top os the scale and NOTHING will change that...

But my system is so rightfully embedded  i feel no desire at all to buy anything at any cost.... I only listen any music forgetting sound....I can even  because  it is fun to do, times to times, new listening experiments....but i had already reach the limit of possible improvements.... It is only playing...I play relaxed...

My best to all....
The best ears in the world are old musicians and especially healthy orchestra maestros of 80 years old...


Best at what? This is quite a statement. What do you have to back it up and that describes exactly what they are best at?  I don't think you can support this statement, and I am quite certain you can't support it as a universal statement.
If you're ears aren't what they once were, your best friends are increased dynamic range, focus, detail and a more defined space between the notes."

Except you don't possess the same ability to hear dynamic range you once did, and turning it louder, only gives temporary relief but hastens the decline. You likewise will never get the high frequencies back, no matter what you do. Without the ability to hear as quiet of notes, and inability to compensate by cranking it even louder, you have now lost the ability to hear detail too, and putting more into the music, does not allow you to hear more if you are already at the limit.  Refined space between the notes is interesting, that would be more an acoustics things, fast decay to reduce instantaneous complexity, because your brain is also a bit slower.


Don't worry, it is not all bad. Music is mostly under 10K, and almost all the acoustic cues for position are at even lower frequencies. Best thing about older, is usually less distracted and more time to relax and enjoy and to the point, actually listen, not just hear.



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