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The Absurdity of it All

50-60-70 year old ears stating with certainty that what they hear is proof positive of the efficacy of analog, uber-cables, tweaks...name your favorite latest and greatest audio "advancement." How many rock concerts under the bridge? Did we ever wear ear protection with our chain saws? Believe what you will, but hearing degrades with age and use and abuse. To pontificate authority while relying on damaged goods is akin to the 65 year old golfer believing his new $300 putter is going to improve his game. And his game MAY get better, but it is the belief that matters. Everything matters, but the brain matters the most.
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mijostyn
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No 70 year old has a putter that is any good any more.

Dismissing science because it doesn't fit nicely into your scheme is your own mistake to make. Science does not know everything but it's information creates a foundation on which to build further knowledge. In saying , " I don't know," you initiate the first step in the learning process. There is a ton of information about sound perception available that audiophile tend to side step. There is a book that is relatively easy for a lay person to understand, "An Introduction to the Psychology of Hearing" by Brian C J Moore. It is a very good place to start. 
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cleeds
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mijostyn
Dismissing science because it doesn't fit nicely into your scheme is your own mistake to make.
It's odd how the self-proclaimed objectivists here get defensive when someone questions their holy "science." Challenging and questioning, collecting data and analyzing it, are all part of science. Blindly accepted common belief is not "science."
Science does not know everything but it's information creates a foundation on which to build further knowledge.
That's true, but what it thinks it knows is not infallible.
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mijostyn
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Perkri, The best you can do is to get the bass right at the listening position by doing all those things you mention.  As many here have noticed other than rebuilding your media room the best way to deal with the bass problem is by adding multiple subwoofers. Room treatments come into play at higher frequencies above 250 Hz. 

It is undeniable true that many fine systems are ruined by room acoustics. 
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clearthink1,211 posts04-21-2021 11:12pmdletch2"One day, a few will clue in to the fact that if all they chase are marketing claims and not real substantiated audible claims, then things will never get better and that they are part of the problem."

What we hear are real substantiated claims



If you don't know what the word substantiated means, I don't think we can progress any further in this discussion. Good day.
dletch2
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I listened some costly tweak product on youtube marketed by a well known company and it is EVIDENT that there is an audible effect....



Was that the one where he placed a large metal object (effectively) right against the microphone? Well duh! (not to you), of course that is going to make a difference!  Or is it the one that had the shelved output that would not correlated to the communicated changes? All this is readily evident when you do correlated analysis of the audio samples. Not everything is as it seems.
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