Speakers most critical component, , now what fq's are most critical in speakers


So now that we have established that speakers are the vocal chords of a  system, thus making speakers the single most important component in any high fidelity system.
We need to open discussions of what fq's should we be ~most~ concerned about in deciding which speakers  offer the highest fidelity within this hz range?
Bass  20hz-30hz, Can we just let this go for a  moment, As there is really not much in classical within this range, Jazz you do have drum sets going on, its not all that much to be missed.
So really bass  begins to be critical at 40hz. 
High fq's, ,,,again is there really much happening in the highest registers in classical? Not really. jazz has snares and other percussion, but again, hardly much to make any dif if missed out in the say 12k+ hz registers.
I know Richard Gray did mention, although there might not seem to be much going on in the highest hz area, its the ~ambience~ which a  high quality tweeter brings into the recorded sound. I agree.

Now we  are left with the rest, the wide midrange area. Which represents 90%++ of our music.
lower mid-bass, starting at 50hz - 200hz
Low midrange 200hz-say 500hz
Mids 500hz-1khz
upper mids 1k-3k+++
These are rough figures
Point is,  should we be so concerned about the 20-40hz's, when basically only less than 1% of the recordings possess this fq range. 1%, who really cares if it is not ~there~.
Now for the highest fq's, well again, should we really be so concerned how high a  tweeter can voice? 

The one design that strikes me as fulfilling this super critical midrange voicing with fidelity and a  seamless wide band soundstage  is the design callled high sensitivty wide band driver, otherwise known as  ~The Full  Range~
There is no so called ~mid`tweeter~ that can match the performance of these same fq's when compared to a  high quality FR single source.
From the low mid bass all the way to highest upper mids, the FR just has a  much larger voice coil and cone area for dispersion. 
Mid tweeters are a failure, Including both Seas Flagships The Millenium and  The Cresendo.  When heard next to a  quality FR .
With this single source wide band driver, no additional tweeter is needed. 
Now in the low bass, say 30-80hz, it is recommended  adding some sort of  bass modual. 
Which will bring in another dimension making the bass floor, more richer and dynamic, eliminates a  sense of ~flatness~ about a  single source's voicing.
Now I've not heard the single source drivers from the 2 highest labs. My guess is both labs also will benifit from added bass configure.
So now we need to look at what bass configures voice the cleanest, low distortion, sublime and subtle.
For this task, I recommend you look at Seas Excel either the older Magnesium Cone or the newst Magnesium cone called Graphene, which are like 50% more cost, Not sure if its worth it. 
The ideal size will either be dual W18's, or a  single W22, maybe even a  W26.
This Magnesium cone material is so sublime in the 40-60hz's, that hardly any driver on the market will match it. With the copper phase plug. Not a  neodymium magnet, but still packs a gorgeous tight rich 40-60hz bass , and voicing the low mids with pure clean fidelity. Pricey but worth it. 
Capacitor for the Excel midwoofers should be Mundorf SilverGold Supreme of if you can afford it SESGO. 2X's the price of reg supreme. Superior vs their Aluminum model.
 



mozartfan
I agree and disagree!  Big fan of seas excel.  Listening to some right now.  Also a big fan of bass.  My speakers play 25-26hz very strong

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Which Seas Excel are you using?
I want to place a  W22 Graphene in where the bottom W18 is, But they are too pricey, $1k pair. For what?  Some fq's below 40hz? Not worth it. ...but then,,,who knows down the road,,,

Here is Troels Gravesen’s design using the W22 + a W12
He asks <<Is there too many xover componets??>> Then goes on to explain why the need for so many caps,resistors etc.

It looks to bea very nice sounding speaker, But its too many xover parts for my cup of tea.
I’ll stay with the W18  dual drivers.
Just 1 cap, 1 coil, 1 resistor, lots of solid bass, gorgeous lower mids.
Here in this article Troels gives upa breakdown of low bass/mid range fq’s.
Lets all go over the specs.

byw I disconnected the LII Fast8 FR and hooked up the dayon 3 inch FR where the Millennium was in the Thor cabinet. WINNER!!!
The Fast8 was too warm.
The LII Fast8 was 94db. The Dayton FR 3 is 85 db, right there with the W18’s. Now the mids/upper highs are perfectly in line with the bass from the W18’s.
If I swap out one W18 for a W22/Graphene, the deeper bass just might get on my nerves.
Swapping a W18 fora Graphene W18 might be doable, but price is like $1100 pair..?? For what?
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/TJL3W.htm

IMHO
The dual W18’s EXOO1’s are the best bass response from any design. If we cionsider small/mid size room enclosures.
Larger rooms, W18 Graphene/W22 Graphene.
I read through your other thread about speakers being the most important component in the chain. I’m sorry but it doesn’t sound like it was established conclusively that speakers are the most important part. I see no consensus forming around that opinion. My suggestion is to halt this thread temporarily, go back back to the first one, build consensus, and then come back to this one. You’re welcome.
 I see no consensus forming around that opinion.


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On several of my recent topics, this Q has been raised (by me) concerning speakers as the very VOICE/Vocal Chords of a  system. Some well seasoned audiophiles here agreed.

I shared several testimonies as to how i arrived at this thesis. 
Some members here have supported this belief as fundamentally sound.
Hinting at this proposal ~~Speakers are everything~~~ The rest is only for nuances/support. Nothing more.
Now its true phono is superior to cd as source medium, But we are  speaking in  a 1 to 1 shootout. 
Not sure what you've missed in some of these topics/posts, But its there, trust me, others have opined in agreement.

Jadis' JA800 will sound either fidelity with fidelity speakers or highly colored with coloration speakers ~~warm/muddy/grayish/non sparkley/rough voice, just plain old distortion, These distortion LOUD speakers are out there selling under big namses and high prices.
Been this way since the early 1970's. 
Thats why I bought into Seas..
Now someone here suggested I take a look at seas FA22 8 ohm, 94db Full Range, which i dismissed. 
My research this moring has brought me,,back to
Seas FA22RCZ Full range, 8 ohms, 94db, from their Prestige line.
Just ordered a  pair from madisound.
The few YT vids just completely blew me away.
Not sure why I overlooked the FA22.
Perhaps the newer FR technology had me so enchanted , so enamored with their design, I just could not look at Seas  ~~Older model~~ as a  potential in this class.
Could not have been more wrong.
The FA22RCZ, arrived FEDEX home delivery. 
will post a  YT vid once installed in a  cabinet.
I wish to thank the member who altered me to this driver,which i had looked at many times past 2-3 years, 

Seas comes through yet once again.
I still have plans to order the W22NX003.

http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=375:h1597-08-fa22rcz&cat...

Here is a  recent 2 weeks ago, review on the FA22RCZ,
All the wonderful descripts on  this drivers, bass/mids/highs,, falls in line with my impressions from the several YT vid uploads.

This tech geek has nothing bad to say about this driver, 
Its a winner in all 3 FQ ranges.
You can skip to 5:37 to get his final assessment on the performance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTlvnKlBic