Solid state amplifiers and sound stage, especially front to back "depth"


I've been enjoying my trial period with the Van Alstine SET 400 stereo amplifier. When I'm done and have collected my thoughts, I may write up a summary.

In the meantime, a question for folks with more experience. I've noticed is that the amp produces a sound stage that is nicely defined and articulate from left to right, but not as much from front to back. (My Adcom was also unable to create sound stage depth.) I know my room is capable of that sound stage because my tube amp accomplishes it.

Question: Is it typical of solid state amps to have less of a front to back sound stage than tube amps? Do they vary in this regard? Or, perhaps, am I failing to do something -- such as re-position my speakers? (After all, I immediately get that sound stage back when I switch amplifier without moving anything else.)

If you have any experience with solid state amplifiers and sound stage -- front to back, left to right, or whatever, I'm curious.

This is not about me keeping or not keeping the amp. There are many things I already really like about it. But I'm wondering about this aspect.

Thanks.
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I never really thought the type of amplifier would affect soundstage. Speaker position, reflections,  the recording I would think has more to do with soundstage. The one thing that isn't controlled by those is SPL at listening position. See if increasing the volume helps. Is that SET amp low watt? It might clip before it gets as loud as the other amps. Other than that I have no idea why. 
@djones51 So far, the consensus is that amp type affects soundstage a lot. So far, if I'm paying attention, only the Sunfire 300 amp has been given props for an amazing soundstage.
The SET 400 is 225 wpc into 8 ohms.
Speaker position, reflections, the recording I would think has more to do with soundstage.
djones51, I absolutely agree. Also the design of the speakers. I spent many listening sessions adjusting speaker position to get the optimal imaging. Toe-in and rake-angle helped fine tune the soundstage. Using absorbion or diffusion on the front wall between speakers can tighten focus. Furniture or a large rack between the speakers can reduce depth. In my room, which is a living/listening space, I discovered the room was too damped and needed some areas of reflection.

But ultimately, I think the amp and preamp have to be capable of presenting a wide and deep soundstage.


Regarding an amp or any other electronic gear upstream’s relative ability to do imaging, it’s generally about achieving low distortion and detail retrieval. That is needed to best deliver the spatial cues that enable imaging captured in a recording completely. Then how the recording is made is the other in big factor.
Then of course the speakers setup and room acoustics determine exactly how those cues are rendered and imaging and soundstage actually produced.
The best soundstage depth Ive ever heard by a huge margin was an all mbl system with SS amplification set up in a highly customized showroom. With master recording R2R as a source you could easily identify exact location of individual orchestra instruments both front to back and side to side in a large tapered rectangular area. That was at now defunct United Home Audio in Annapolis Junction, MD several years back. Nothing else I’ve ever heard comes close on regards to precise 3-d soundstage and imaging depth. Totally holographic. Same setup by same vendor was just OK at local shows in more conventional and less optimized room setups.

In my system, holographic soundstage and imaging took a big leap forward when I introduced the Bel Canto ref1000m Class D amps to my Ohm Walsh speakers. It was totally disorienting at first until my ears latched on to what was happening. Night and day from prior Class A Musical Fidelity SS amp.