Boy, Oh Boy! Towshend!


OK, I have elevated my belief in isolation.  For the first time I feel I have entered the Hi Fidelity zone.  About 3 weeks ago I purchased the Townshend Speaker Bars.  My muddy bass cleaned up, I have better imaging, clarity, precision, speed and focus.  My buddy who is not not into HiFi but has followed my adventures, was blown away.  He said, "OK, now I get why you do this."  Best money spent! 

Denon DL160 (re-tipped by Soundsmith) > Thorens TD150 > McIntosh 8900 > ALK Extreme Slope in Klipsch Belles.  Just another step in the long journey, but a Giant Step for my enjoyment.  My system took a large enough step forward that I am drawn into listening to all of my 2K plus albums again just to enjoy them in a new way. Great people to deal with too, even with Brexit messing things up.  Highly recommended!
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So I have no choice but to use the isolation bars from left to right. Do they work exactly as good as the Podiums?
Does it count for anything that when I put my phone on the tile right in front of a speaker cranking music, that with a Hamm Seismograph app on, there is absolutely no vibration registered on the tile?
I have not heard the podiums under speakers, the bars work very well.
So the substrate already doesn't move whatsoever? Even with your hand you feel nothing? even on your rack?
@rixthetrick

If I have my phone on the speaker and stomp on my tile, there are no vibrations registered on the phone. If I'm blasting music and place my phone on the tile in front of the speaker, there are no vibrations on the Seismograph. My tile is bonded to the concrete foundation of my house. It is dead solid and silent for vibrations.
But, if I'm cranking the music and put my phone on the speaker, there is a lot of vibration. On the rack where the tt's will sit, there is a small amount of vibration. Mostly on the Z plane. But will that get mitigated by my Basis tables silicone filled pods where my table can shimmy like speakers do on the Townshend podiums? My Vertere MG-1 table is a suspended table as well. Millercarbon's table itself does not look to be suspended. But it is on an isolation platform.

If I understand correctly though, isolating the speakers with Townshend bars will help the speakers sound much better. Is that correct?

@millercarbon makes a point. Even if my rack is on isolation corners, can the individual components still vibrate within its shelf? That would be important to address. John from Townshend made it sound like But, there is no room under my Classe processor/DAC or Model 12 for pods. The Classe takes up nearly the whole rack opening.
So the isolation corners seem like my only option for the equipment on my rack. The right back corner will be a bear to get one under.

The Mezzo Utopia's bass is solid. And down to 35Hz. 92.5dB sensitivity.

Couple things- all things heard cannot be measured, and all things measured cannot be heard. That doesn’t mean to ignore seismographs, etc, but it is not the be all and end all.

MC is absolutely right about vibrations coming from the components or speakers themselves. That’s why vibration platforms under amps, and other components in addition to speakers work so surprisingly well. I was amazed at how something called roller blocks under my phono stage improved the sound. They drain internal noise and isolate components. Under speakers, platforms drain internal noise, so regardless of how dead your tile is, there is still distortion inside the speaker cabinet. It seems to make everything sound clearer. You may think you lose bass, but it is distortion,  and what is left is real.

if you are in the US, I recommend you speak with Peter at Symposium Acoustics. He’s been creating solutions since 1992. Roller blocks, platforms, racks, etc. He doesn’t advertise, and goes by word of mouth. You can talk to him live and he loves this stuff.

He is also refreshingly honest. When I was doing my initial isolation work on my turntable, he told me his iso platform would not address my turntable isolation issues because it only weighs 10 pounds without putting counterweights on top of my plinth, which was impossible. So I went with a Townshend platform that did the trick with their lightest pods under their platform. It worked great. When I went next to my speakers, draining the noise worked best with symposium  Segue platforms. You can add roller blocks under them if you want, but once again Peter was so honest-by saying I may not want to elevate the tweeters an  inch+ and just go with the Segues. The Segues are the same height as the spikes I removed from my speakers.

Next was the phono stage, then my amp, and the only thing left is my power conditioner, but I need one thing that doesn’t move when I touch it for when I am organizing records. Everything floats, so when I see that my OCD tendencies make me nervous. Conditioner is on top of Herbie’s Tenderfeet, which do a little, but nothing like pods or roller blocks.

I also agree with MC about not worrying about every little thing in terms of what to do when. Every time I do something, it sounds better. I am amazed. No stereo salesmen ever mention this stuff, and it is very impactful.

Peter says in his experience, believe it or not, the biggest improvement he’s seen is with CD players! Too bad I don’t use one, but if I would have kept mine and used his products, I might not have disconnected it. No disrespect to John at Townshend, but he is not the designer of the products, and when I did have the opportunity to talk to Max Townshend, it was night and day. It is not easy, especially with them being on the other side of the pond for me. He is nice and responsive, but is very salesy and tends to exaggerate a bit. Max and Peter are very scientific and set expectations very modestlly,  which makes the improvements all the more surprising. Peter will take the time to help you. He even answered a question I had about my turntable mat even though he never pursued a solution for that (he thought about it at one time, but was too busy).
Seems you have options. Having a trial period to listen to products - that's been my suggestion all along.
@millercarbon @rixthetrick 

Well, apparently Townsend isolation corners WILL isolate every single component in my equipment rack. Got it from the source!
I asked John at Townshend: "As far as the isolation corners isolating my equipment rack down to 3Hz, what about the individual components. Will they also be isolated down to 3Hz? As I cannot fit isolation pods under most of the components."John: Yes everything on top of the rack is Isolated

Me: Just to clarify, when you said "Yes everything on top of the rack is Isolated" did you mean, all 9 components within each rack shelf of the Sound Anchors rack or just the components(turntables and tonearm etc) on the top of the rack. John: Once your rack is floating on our Seismic Corners everything that is on the rack is Isolated down to 3hz.------------
So what do you think MC? Pretty economical way to isolate 9 components vs 36 isolation pods!
The isolation corners and 4 speaker bars would do the trick. John also recommended speaker bars on my sub. However my sub is 18" wide?
But I'm thinking, getting 4 Nobsound springs(if they can handle 140 pounds) would be a much more economical way to proceed if they would not affect the Townshend isolation. 4 isolation pods would cost less than half as much as speaker bars...Thoughts?
The only issue here is getting to the right rear corner of my equipment rack. Unless I pull the rack  way out away from the back and side wall(see imgur dot com slash a slash FEI0zPQ to see the rack and walls) and successfully! slide the corner back in place over the tile and grout lines, no way can the rack corner be lifted to get the spike into the small isolation corner spike hole. Even if I follow John's advice about removing all heavy components and center speaker first...It's still 300+ pounds!


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