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Best tube amp for electrostatic speakers

For over 35 years I've almost exclusively used either ribbons or electrostats with solid state amplification and have been generally happy with the sound. Over the last several years, though, my hearing has become somewhat degraded and more sensitive to certain frequencies. The frequencies which seem to cause the most discomfort occur in the 1400 to 1900Hz range and come across as "bright" to my hearing. After researching this matter and having been given some expert advice, I've decided to pursue the idea of replacing my present amplification equipment with tube based gear.

The purpose of this post, then, is to solicit advice regarding the best approach to making this decision based on the following information: the current basic equipment is Shanling Solid state CD player, Peachtree Audio Nova used as preamp, two DBX 1531 EQ's to help compensate for age related hearing loss, Peachtree 220 amp, Silversonic T114 cable and Martin Logan Ethos speakers.

The listening area is our living room measuring 15 by 22 feet with my listening position 16 feet from the plane of the 2 speakers which are positioned 11 feet apart measured center to center. Located between the 2 speakers is an entertainment center which is about 9 feet wide. My listening interests are varied from solo guitar and light jazz to occasional orchestral music. I don't generally listen at high volumes and am not particularly interested in strong bass except for the rare action movie background.

Unless not advisable for some reason, I would like to keep the Peachtree Nova as a preamp because of the significant latitude for source connection and what seems to have a decent internal DAC. If this option would substantially defeat the purpose of the intended modification I would work around it. I can no longer deal with sounds that are "bright" which I now find uncomfortable but detailed sound is very important.

So, the questions are: is the move to tubes the best option and, if so, what might be some reasonably priced amps that could accomplish the goal. This, of course, would take into consideration room size, etc. for determining power requirements. If there are other more practical and less expensive options to consider, I would appreciate that advice as well.
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georgehifi
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Looks like Clio09 may have the right tube amp for the OP's Ethos speakers, should work well either off the 1ohm or 2ohm tap and maybe not sound like a fixed tone control, and only one transformer in the way.

And you can see it in the second graph working off the 1ohm tap, only slightly deviates of dead flat when driving the simulated speaker load, maybe it will be a bit worse with the .8ohm of the OP's Ethos.
[url]http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-reference-rm-200-mkii-power-amplifier-measurements[/url]

Whether or not it will have enough watts off the 1 or 2 ohm tap is another story, this will depend on how loud the OP likes to listen, because the lower the tap impedance the less wattage is available, but higher current and lower output impedance (higher damping factor).

Cheers George
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atmasphere
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The ZERO is not a band-aid. It is a problem solver, and very effective- usually removing coloration rather than adding it. There are many accolades on the zeroimpedance.com website and the product has been around now for nearly 20 years.

The issue we are dealing with here is that Martin-Logan recognized that solid state amps dominate the market, and they wanted to be part of that- because it sells more speakers. So they made their impedances extremely low.

The problem is that ESLs have the same efficiency at all frequencies. If you combine that with an amplifier that can double power as George suggests, the result is brightness. If the amp can otherwise drive the load but not double power, the tonality will be correct.

The ZERO allows this with many tube amps which otherwise would not be able to drive the half-ohm load which is what a Martin-Logan is at 20KHz. Sure, there is not much energy up there, but if you have too much it gets painful.
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georgehifi
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"If you combine that with an amplifier that can double power as George suggests, the result is brightness"

Popycock Ralph, it is the opposite with not only with ML ESL's but others as well and you get dullness with an amp that can't keep "keep it up" current wise.
Why then advocate the use the Zero as a bandaid fix with your amps on these sort of speakers when getting the right amp is clearly obvious, even a rare tube amp with output taps of 1ohm 2ohm that Clio posted designed to drive this sort of load.
Just listen or read the reviews of ESL's with upper range impedances like the OP's ML Ethos speakers have when driven with amps that "can't get it up" (current wise), dullness or similar are the words used all to often.

Cheers George
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atmasphere
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George, Its obvious you've not actually heard the ZEROs work.

Too bright does not work any better than too dull- both are colorations.

The ZEROs are an excellent solution for tube amps that are being asked to drive speakers that they simply would not work with otherwise. I think more have been sold to ARC owners than our amps, FWIW. A lot of people want to use tubes with Martin-Logans to calm them down.
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georgehifi
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Ralph, please don't assume.
I have had a pair in my house that were given to me, and have tried them on different occasions, and have always said with amps and speakers that are a mismatched they can be made to work together, but are just a bandaid fix, until the right amp is used.

And instead of spending the $600 odd dollars on them as an interim fix, put the money towards the right amp for the speakers being used, or the other way, change the speakers to suit the amp being used. Without having to purchase autoformers and have them in the way.

Cheers George
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