AAA vs DDD...


As I was going through my paltry collection of music, I realized that I have two different versions of the same piece of music, from the same "players" recorded years apart. One, is Deutsche Grammophon recording of Beethoven's 9th that is part of the Beethoven Bicentennial Collection, Symphonies and Overtures Part Two with the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra and Herbert von Karajan, which was released in 1971. It is a pressing I purchased recently from a local store for $20.00 (CDN)... (One of six sets of 5 record collections from the same series I purchased - there were 17 sets in total). The records were played once so the original owner could record them to 1/4" reel to reel. The pressings are mint and still had the undisturbed shrink wrap and original booklet/sleeves included. They took a minute to clean as time is unkind to most things...

I also have a digital recording of the 9th. It was produced in 1984. Also with Deutsche Grammophon, Herbert von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra. It is on a CD and was one of the first CD's I ever bought.

The first, was obviously a complete analogue process from beginning to end. AAA. The latter was a full DDD translation of the same piece of music.

Interesting thing is, as I was listening to the vinyl earlier tonight, I thought that I had the same piece of music on CD. The performances are quite similar. As they should be given the same conductor is working with the same orchestra.

Interesting part is, the Vinyl, recorded years before the CD, sounds soooo much better. It was only after doing an A/B switching back and forth and reading the liner notes that it was clear these were not from the same session.

All this to speak to the virtues of vinyl.

Granted, the CD was recorded during the beginning stages of Digital, and was processed through the early stages of what the digital process could handle, hence the differences are quite easily distinguishable. 

As a commercial photographer who was a very late adopter to shooting digital as opposed to film, this all made sense to me. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some major benefits to shooting digital on a job, too many to list... However, there is an inherent quality to film that is quite difficult to nail down. Especially now that digital is sooo much better that it was, and you can pretty much emulate any effect you want through post processing. Same holds true to the re-presentation of music.

There is something about the space between the "bits" of information that leaves a void. Something organic is lost in the process. I am by no means defending the "virtues" of the "mistake" in an analogue process - as some would possibly define the experience of vinyl? And, it could be argued (I think I may be a backer of this) that it is in fact more difficult to do really good work in the digital realm as you can not depend on the benefit of the "mistake" to provide you with the "natural" as you have the benefit of being connected to the real - the wonderful richness when working in analogue... It is, however, very interesting to me, albeit obvious, that AAA is so much richer and fuller of life than DDD as it was presented to me earlier tonight.

Thats my rant...

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perkri
"Digital recording and playback is like Kraft cheese versus artisanal cheese!"

I'd suggest such assertions of "superiority" by those who worship at the shrine of analogue/vinyl are only likley to impress fellow cultists. . . 

I've heard very expensive vinyl based systems... do they sound good ? Yes. 
Do they sound better to me than my digital system?  No.
Of course, this "proves" I can't hear worth a damn, right? 
Otherwise, I'd be a fellow worshipper. 

So goeth the "logic"...  

This is one of those themes, akin to "cables are snake oil"  that I find
exceedingly tedious. 

perkri, in order to make a valid comparison between AAA and DDD you would have to record the exact same performance and route the mic feed to both an analog and digital recording system and carry the format through production of the consumer product be it a CD, File or record. 
Otherwise you can't make a valid comparison. Saying that "something is missing between the bits" is an admission of lack of understanding how a DAC works. This is just lay instinct. This is not to say that one format might not sound better than the other but you have to understand that sounding "better" is not synonymous with sounding "accurate". I think it is well understood that certain distortions are pleasing and universally so. This is the most obvious reason for a large proportion of audiophiles preferring vinyl, a format which can not be nearly as accurate as a high resolution digital one. 

I have an original pressing of Von Karajan's complete Beethoven Symphonies. Got it for my 16th Birthday. 
perkri


Actually fiesta75 has given the perfect A/B with the Zappa above you can get almost identical DR's with the vinyl and cd

Vinyl Cat no.  MIPD-2-9364

CD Cat no.  RCD 10060

https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=Frank+Zappa&album=Joe%27s+Garage

Cheers George
Also this is a good one to show what they usually do now with later re-issue recordings of the same album, squashed to the max, absolutely discussing.
(The Zappa in my above post is an exception)
https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=The+Traveling+Wilburys&album

Cheers George