I believe the premise is that the speakers are resting motionless on the springs at a specific tension and the function of the spring is to isolate/dissipate vibration.
Vibration - What are the Main Sources?
A current thread discussing the best tweaks gave consistently high ranking for component isolation. I am curious to know where all the vibration is coming from that we are addressing with isolation. I understand that high volume listening can create significant vibration, but for the sake of this discussion let's assume we are listening at moderate levels. Can the vibrations from moderate sound levels affect the quality of sound? Are there other common significant sources of vibration that we are guarding against that can dramatically affect sound?
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@perki - The minus K approach would require some engineering based upon some pretty complicated math. If you’re going to order springs for your speakers, some specifications I have found that may help you. (specific to compression springs)
These high and low pressures in the enclosure will energise the nodes of the cabinet. Nikola Tesla is an interesting read, and Mythbusters did an excellent episode with a bridge regarding that science. The walls of the enclosure will move in much a similar manner to a balloon. My speakers have been made from composite materials, lined with steel plates, and they move, their nodes can be heard by wrapping my knuckles on them. Instead of thinking of a speaker enclosure as an entirely rigid structure, consider it to be an ever morphing shape energised by the drivers during playback, especially when played loudly. So instead of it moving on it’s base, the idea of springs is to keep the center of gravity as virtually stationary as possible, trying to keep the drivers held in relative space to the listener. |
I believe the premise is that the speakers are resting motionless on the springs at a specific tension and the function of the spring is to isolate/dissipate vibration.Dissipation of cabinet frequencies can be better achieved by using TMD (tuned mass damper) technology. This technology is used in modern high rise buildings with great success. https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/38947 If it's of any interest? Basically a TMD for a speaker will allow it to be decoupled from the cabinet, and yet reactive to the vibrations of the cabinet, so that it can cancel out the vibrations by being out of phase in it's motion to the cabinet. So the springs from below are being deformed by the cabinet, transferring kenetic energy to heat through the springs, and the sprung mass on top moving out of phase with the cabinets to oppose the energies each see from each other. I know, it may sound absurd, however, in person it sounds truly superb. |
rixthetrick, Thanks. The springs are for my TT, mostly as an experiment :) Hoping the spring retailer will help me figure out a spring rate that makes sense. And yeah, height/diameter is important. Don’t want stuff swaying :) And I’m thinking to start with spring rates such that there is an equal force required lifting up or pushing down to have it move the same distance. As close to floating as possible. And agree, the math behind K Minus is above my pay grade. 1/2hz and 1hz, crazy low they go. It’s fun to play with this stuff. Especially when cost is low. Added bonus of course, when it works. |
Vibration haters relent. ALL vibration can't be bad can it? I do not like train causing vibration when it comes through town twice a day. Rumbling ground and squeaking wheels and that damned horn! Yes, that is certainly bad vibration contributing to absolute distraction. Conversely, am I attending to what might be a microscopic demon shaking at my TT's cantilever? Certainly not a train, but undesirable non the less. So then, let's pick our battles here. IF a small vibration passing through a capacitor can be heard by me, then it is a problem. If not then I should pick my battles more wisely. One vibration of some sort or another can be a pest or even deal breaker for listening. Several vibrations combined or not, pulling at the threads of notes themselves lift me from the listening chair displeased and uninterested. Chasing them down is a lottery ticket at best unless you have some insight, no not likely from salesmen or tweakers, but from acquiring usable knowledge of your particular situation and verifiable progress. |
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