Vandersteen 1C to 3A Signature


I currently own the 1Cs, paired with a Naim Nait 5i. I like the sound, have had these speakers for the better part of 15 years and I still love their presentation, the openness and sense of space they provide. They are fabulous to my ears.

Which isn’t to say they are perfect, they don’t like being played too loud (seem fragile, break up at higher volumes), and the bass isn’t as deep or (more importantly) as defined as it could be. Also I sometimes hear some lack of refinement in the tweeter (although at other times it sounds positively glorious, especially with horns and flutes).  So after refinishing the basement and adding a big TV with prewired surround sound I found a used Vandersteen center speaker, so I’m thinking of moving the 1C to the basement and getting a different (hopefully better) speaker for upstairs. I did a bit of research and it appears Spendor is supposed to be a good match for Naim, so I was able to borrow a pair of S8E to try out. You can tell the speaker can handle much more power and can play cleanly at those high levels, and the sound is nicely balanced throughout the frequency range, but they sound like boxes. The Vandy’s don’t. I think I’ve written off Spendor, Proac, Totem and the like, as the design looks similar.

I should probably stick with Vandersteen or similar sounding speakers. I have an opportunity to buy some 3A Signatures, but am afraid I will lose the lithe nature of the 1’s which I like, so I’m looking for opinions on this, and maybe for suggestions of other models that would sort of fit into the sound I’ve tried to describe. Thanks
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I would suggest something, um, outside the box.  10 years ago, I decided to replace my 1Cs.  The 2Ces were a little too large, physically, for my room.  I ended up with a pair of Ohm Walsh 2000s, and 10 years later, I haven't regretted it for a minute.  Based on your room size, you might require the Walsh 3000 or 4000.  The drivers sit proud of the cabinet, no boxy sound here.  Quite capable in the bass, and you can crank them without any congestion or loss in sound quality.  They come with a 120 day return option, but you will the lose the shipping round trip if you return them.
I've heard good things about the Ohm. In that form factor, the speaker I would audition if I wanted something other than the Vandersteens (front firing), would be the Larsens. Larsen 6 or 8. I say that only because of intriguing reviews and word of mouth. They fire towards each other, throwing up a "wall of sound."
Larsen 6.2 review: https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/larsen-model-62-loudspeaker
Larsen 8 review: https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/larsen-model-8-loudspeaker

The Sound In Itself
All this detail about exactly what happens and why does not really get across the remarkable impression these speakers create. If one forgets about audio categories, turns one’s mind away from a checklist of what speakers are supposed to do, and turns one’s mind away from what most speakers do do, and thinks instead of what music sounds like in reality, these speakers are hugely intriguing. Once one gets used to the fact that they are different from free-space floorstanders; indeed, one can become positively addicted to their sound. In a certain sense, the Model 8s are something of a road not taken in audio. But one cannot help wondering if this is not perhaps because audio took a wrong turn somewhere to some extent if the goal is to sound like real music, especially in terms of reproducing the lower midrange on down.

Large-scaled music, where the match between room sound and direct sound is a vital matter, especially illustrates the virtues of the Model 8s. Orchestras sound surprisingly like orchestras, with a transparency that goes not just down into the midrange but all the way down. If you wanted to write down the bass and cello parts of a symphonic composition from listening, these speakers would make it easy.

At the same time, the human voice is also very convincing. A good recording of a person speaking sounds startlingly like a real person, something that often escapes speakers that change directivity in the midrange on account of the baffle step. And instruments with serious lower-midrange content sound unusually convincing, as noted.

The Larsen Model 8 is to my mind a speaker that everyone seriously interested in audio ought to listen to and at as much length as possible, since one needs to adjust to its quite different approach to reproducing sound in rooms. There are things it does, and important things at that, that to my mind lie at the heart of actually sounding like live music. The approach is entirely different from the near-field, directional speakers that can also claim a really accurate reproduction of what is on the recordings, albeit in a different way. But the approach of the Larsen Model 8s has validity of its own. How speakers should work in rooms is not a very standardized matter. But the way of the Larsens is one of the ways that works. The Larsens, most impressively, really sound the way music actually does sound. The Model 8s are not just another try at making a speaker like all the rest except better, as so many high-end speakers are. Rather, the Larsen Model 8s are something special in their own right.


@patrickdowns...I have read those reviews. The placement requirements for Larsens are a deal breaker for me, and others, who can't provide the wall space.  But if you have a place for them, certainly worth an audition, IMHO.
The initial Treo has the excellent aluminum tweeter w great performance also. Those are right in $range used and maybe a pair every other month listed. The new 2 is sweet. Have fun, enjoy the music and the journey 
jim
Phaco, I auditioned a goodly number of speakers recently for an upgrade and spent a little seat-time with the 1Ci because I fondly remembered similar seat-time, many years earlier, with either the model 2 or 3. Can't recall which because that was a while back. However, I do remember being very impressed by what I'd heard. The 1Ci, to my ears, were a disappointment compared to that experience, even powered by a 75 watt into 8 ohms rated MAC tube stack. I'm not familiar with your amp. However, judging from the specs alone, conservatively rated at 50 watts into 8 ohms (likely more) seems rather limiting with regard to appropriately matched speaker choices. The best advice anyone can give you on something like this is to spend some critical listening time to a variety of speakers, under conditions as controlled as you can get them (i.e. same or similar amp; etc.). More than just about anything else in audio, speakers are a very personal, subjective choice. Different ears like different sound signatures. Best of luck!