So much for scientific rigor. My last post's questions as to cable naysayers cable purchasing decisions was not meant to be rhetorical. So it seems the objectivist cable purchases are actually subjective choices, based on whatever? They don't in fact practice what they preach in regard to cable purchases, they didn't use double blind testing in determining their purchase.
I understand they have a point to make in there isn't always scientifically valid explanations as to claims of qualitative sound differences in cables. But this doubt isn't proof there isn't, many reasons for that, plenty of posts in other cable threads as to those reasons.
As to simplified judgments as to how we subjectivists are sheep and mindless consumers of marketing drivel. Some may be, but the vast majority of us, based on my observations are simply seeking the best sound quality at a price we can afford. We don't care about packaging, manufacturer's boasts of this and that. We simply listen to cables in our systems and make judgements as to what sounds best. Seems like all you so called objectivists have done the same, unless you're one who refuses to audition cables above some subjective price point.
Years ago, when all this cable controversy began, I decided to learn for myself as to validity of various conclusions. I tried many, many cables through lending library at Cable Company, digital, analog, speaker, IC, power, balanced, single ended. The only final valid conclusion I could come to is that cables do sound different from one another. Does price correlate to sound quality, sometimes yes, sometimes no. Some of the cables I tried were highly praised, didn't do anything for me. My take away was perhaps they did in their system, not in mine, no objective conclusions for me. I could have concluded those people tin eared or delusional, but I choose to not be so judgemental when I've not heard those exact cables in their systems, in their listening rooms.
The extreme complexity and uniqueness of our systems and our ear/brains/minds makes it impossible to judge what another hears from their system. The whole undertaking of building and listening to an audio system is just so overwhelmingly subjective in totality, how one can assign some objective criteria to the entire experience is simply wrongheaded. Yes, objective criteria can be used for certain components within the entire system, but in a global sense, I think not. And then, why is it that every system is likely singularly unique in this total human population, could it have something to do with it being a subjective experience? In the end, I cannot objectively judge anyone's subjective judgment of their own system. I can have ideas in regard to their system based on my experience, but judgments, no.
Finally, in the end, I don't really care whether one believes cables sound different or not. It has no bearing on my listening to my system and the pleasure or angst it brings. This ongoing and never ending argument is much more about ego, attempts to make people think like us is a fool's errand.
I understand they have a point to make in there isn't always scientifically valid explanations as to claims of qualitative sound differences in cables. But this doubt isn't proof there isn't, many reasons for that, plenty of posts in other cable threads as to those reasons.
As to simplified judgments as to how we subjectivists are sheep and mindless consumers of marketing drivel. Some may be, but the vast majority of us, based on my observations are simply seeking the best sound quality at a price we can afford. We don't care about packaging, manufacturer's boasts of this and that. We simply listen to cables in our systems and make judgements as to what sounds best. Seems like all you so called objectivists have done the same, unless you're one who refuses to audition cables above some subjective price point.
Years ago, when all this cable controversy began, I decided to learn for myself as to validity of various conclusions. I tried many, many cables through lending library at Cable Company, digital, analog, speaker, IC, power, balanced, single ended. The only final valid conclusion I could come to is that cables do sound different from one another. Does price correlate to sound quality, sometimes yes, sometimes no. Some of the cables I tried were highly praised, didn't do anything for me. My take away was perhaps they did in their system, not in mine, no objective conclusions for me. I could have concluded those people tin eared or delusional, but I choose to not be so judgemental when I've not heard those exact cables in their systems, in their listening rooms.
The extreme complexity and uniqueness of our systems and our ear/brains/minds makes it impossible to judge what another hears from their system. The whole undertaking of building and listening to an audio system is just so overwhelmingly subjective in totality, how one can assign some objective criteria to the entire experience is simply wrongheaded. Yes, objective criteria can be used for certain components within the entire system, but in a global sense, I think not. And then, why is it that every system is likely singularly unique in this total human population, could it have something to do with it being a subjective experience? In the end, I cannot objectively judge anyone's subjective judgment of their own system. I can have ideas in regard to their system based on my experience, but judgments, no.
Finally, in the end, I don't really care whether one believes cables sound different or not. It has no bearing on my listening to my system and the pleasure or angst it brings. This ongoing and never ending argument is much more about ego, attempts to make people think like us is a fool's errand.