Referent point


Look if we are going to get anywhere in this discussion on speakers,,,we've been at here now going on 20years +, We need to figure out how we are going to go forward into this 21st C, which now is 21 yrs and going.
Time to establsih some sort of reference posit, a  speaker that we  can all agree on which is neutral, efficient and worthy to be considered true high fidelity, Last qualification, is that any amp can drive the Speaker, From  Jadis JA 800 monos blaocsk a  4 chassis 800 lb amplifier to a  1 watt SET amp.
Sure I realize this is asking for the impossible, 
'But really its not.
There is such speakers.
These would be the wide bands.
You know the Fostex/Lowther you atried back in the day and found less than high fidelity.
Well we should not throw the babt out with the  bath water.
The wide bands were developed in Berlin and Chicago back in the 1920;s. and IMHO are the finest design in any speaker (exception are the horns).
We can not make the big horns as reference, as few of us here can afford the big guys, + many other issues which make  horns not a  practical reference point.\
The only speaker i know that can fill the parameters to be designated as The Reference Point, as wide bands.
All speakers  must be judged next to a  high tech wide band.
Wide bands will expose the glares and flaws in your speaker, which are completely hidden from your ears at the moment.
I mean if we are all seeking true high fidelity  its high time to face the facts of 
1) bigger is not better
2) throwing money at a  speaker will result in great sound
3) thinking outside the box is  the creative approach to discovering high fidelity.
4) a  lab name means nothing when heard next to a  high tech wide band.(We can lay this blame at Sterophiles feet)


mozartfan
but I have a big room... and a very big very lifelike sound stage with my cornerhorns with only two watts.

Where did you get that the average listening room is 10x15x8?

Have you been to the Decware forum? Lots of people are enamored with single driver speakers there. The problem with reference is which ones? Lil Audio makes multiple size and drivers with different sound characteristics. Your music, your room your preference, your reference but it probably doesn’t meet my criteria of a reference speaker.

Another single driver wide band was a very good speaker made by the The Horn Shoppe. Great midrange but it really need a corner for bass reinforcement. Later they added a Heil AMT driver on top to fill in the other frequencies to get the desired sound.

My question is, are you here to tell people what their reference should be or are you asking to learn about the preferences of others?
@op 

You obviously spend time on DIYAudio, where FR drivers are a standard go to.

Why do you present this info as though none of us have ever heard a pair?

Most of have been there, done that. Many times over.

Good for you that they are a part of your journey. But please, stop speaking to us all as though we have never heard a pair.

And how many FR drivers have you listened to? In properly executed enclosures?

Stop, just please, stop with the redundant and repetitive posts.


mozartfan,
If you know so much about Klipsch, why do you keep spelling it with an e on the end? That is really weird.
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