Townshend Springs under Speakers


I was very interested, especially with all the talk.   I brought the subject up on the Vandersteen forum site, and Richard Vandersteen himself weighed in.   As with everything, nothing is perfect in all circumstances.  If the floor is wobbly, springs can work, if the speaker is on solid ground, 3 spikes is preferred.
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Well, I’ve completed my Townshend Speaker Bars experience.

I shipped them back to Townshend.

First, please understand the following is just my experience/preference, not a diss of the Townshend products. I still use the wonderful Townshend pods under my turntable.

As I mentioned before (in this or other threads) my interest in the Townshend bars was sparked first by how well the seismic isolation pods worked under my turntable platform. They measurably reduced vibration transfer to the turntable, especially from floor born impacts, in a way no other isolation device came close to achieving. So I knew they "really did something."


I also found the on-line Townshend demos of the speaker isolation devices very intriguing.


To quickly check spring decoupling for my speakers I bought a version of the nobsound spring footers. The difference in sound with the springs under my speakers really amazed me. They displayed many of the attributes attributed to the Townshend products: speakers disappeared more, more and finer detail, more relaxed sounding etc.

However, there was a step back in one of the main areas I’m most sensitive about: density and impact of the sound. This is an attribute I have worked to get in to my system. With the spring footers, the sound just got a bit too light and featherweight sounding, less dense, less impact and connection. It became a bit more "electrostatic like" in the experience. Also the tonal balance got a little too brilliant and light, less rich.

How much of this was due to the isolation and how much due to the raising of the speakers was hard to be sure of.

Ultimately I preferred the sound of my speakers sitting on the carpeted wood floor. The slight loss of finesse was made up for by restoring the punch and density tonal balance and to me realism of the sound.

Given the Townshend speaker bars (which I had reason to prefer over the podiums) were more highly engineered to the goal, and also wouldn’t alter the speaker height by much, my hopes were for similar gains, with fewer drawbacks.

Townshend were excellent to deal with, btw, as a customer.

The results in my system: I was surprised that I didn’t hear as much of a difference as I was expecting. I mean, the sound was definitely different...it just wasn’t obviously better.

The speakers disappeared *slightly* more (not as much as with the nobsound springs!), and the sound slightly relaxed (too much IMO). And a good thing, the sound didn’t thin out nearly as much as with the cheaper spring products. Plus, a good amount of impact was maintained.

But...the "good" just wasn’t enough to outweigh the "bad" for me. I found the tonal balance altered to darker and more lush, which actually sounded a bit less natural and real to me. I liked the more airy, open, vivid tonal balance with the speakers on the floor. Also, there was some loss in density and impact. Put together, I just connected more to the sound with the speakers sitting on the floor.

I tried all sorts of variations over time: Wondering if a sort of split-the-difference may work, I tried a single set of speaker bars under either the front or rear of the speaker. I did combinations with the nobsound spring footers. I did combinations with isacoustic products. Various adjustments to speaker rake, height etc. Anything I could think of.

Every time, the speakers sounded better to me just sitting on the floor.

So, unfortunately, back they went to Townshend (30 day trial period).

I’d liked the bars to have improved my system’s sound. But I’m also fine with getting that tweak out of my system. In the end, since I use more than one speaker in and out of my system, not having to mess with speaker bars/platforms is a good thing too.

I’d still recommend anyone intrigued by the Townshend speaker isolation products to give them a try. Clearly many have had great results.


However, there was a step back in one of the main areas I’m most sensitive about: density and impact of the sound. This is an attribute I have worked to get in to my system. With the spring footers, the sound just got a bit too light and featherweight sounding, less dense, less impact and connection. It became a bit more "electrostatic like" in the experience. Also the tonal balance got a little too brilliant and light, less rich.
Thanks prof for your review...

Just a word to say that your description of the Springs boxes nobsound match completely my experience...
 But the effect you lived through with the springs is could be partally solved by the finetuning of the compressive force...In my experience even under 100 gram of difference between load and weight made a very audible difference... My load of concrete  on each speaker is near 80 pounds...

I said partially solved... To solve it completely I bought another set of 4 boxes spring for each speaker...


I  solved this problem at last  in lost of " density" by introducing another set of spring boxes under this very heavy fine tuned load of concrete on top of my speakers... The dissymmetric compressive force difference between the 2 sets of 4 boxes, under and on top of each speaker, decreasing some resonance, give to me complete satisfaction...

Cost= peanuts

Negative: the speakers being stable are not enough stable for a living room with young children tough....

My best to you....

mahgister,

Interesting solution!   It must be really sonically satisfying.


I'm sensitive to aesthetics in my set up, so would be very unlikely to employ such a tweak.

In fact I've been shedding gear.   Just sold off my subwoofers, crossover.The room looks (and sounds) better without them IMO. 


It's actually a relief to simply.

Though I'm not finished in the tweaky area of things.  I'm still doing ongoing comparisons of two amps, tube rolling etc.   But hopefully that will be over with soon and then back to just listening to the music.
I’m sensitive to aesthetics in my set up, so would be very unlikely to employ such a tweak.
I understand that my solution so effective it was cannot be adopted in a living room at all...

My problem was cost...

I dont wanted and never bought anything costly...

I prefered to use cheap materials and my homemade devices...With astounding results...





« A straw can change the sound of an entire room if you put it at the mouth of the rightfully choosen bottle or pipe»-Anonymus Acoustician son of Helmholtz






Helmholtz as in the Argent Room Lenses I recommended to you a couple years ago..Great devices they are...stage shifters and shapers. Tom