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Have you moved away from full range to standmount speakers + subs?

I want to know if you have been on a journey moving from a large full range speaker to a smaller one paired wit subs, maybe even four subs.


Maybe you moved away from the big speakers because you had too much bass or you got a better soundstage from the smaller speakers. Let me know what motivated you and if you think it’s better now.


My motivation for wanting to try smaller speakers.


I have the Tekton DI and until a month ago I was using a LM845P SET amp to drive them.

It only sounded good on simple jazz and vocals but on complex music everything was falling apart.

I am not playing loud but I think it was the low 2 ohm load in the midrange that made the LM break down.


I bought a used PS Audio BHK250 and pre and it was like getting new speakers. Never ever had it occurred to me that speaker and amp matching could have such a profound effect.


So I am enjoying my speakers now and listen to music I have avoided like the plague and enjoying it (:


But all of this got me thinking, what if I paired my LM845P with an easy to drive speaker and paired it with some subs?


Then the LM845 could do what it's best at, playing glorious midrange and the subs could play the bass.

So that's my motivation for trying smaller speakers.


I am also hoping that maybe I could get better and more even bass with 2 or 4 subs. Maybe a better soundstage because the small speakers have a very small baffle.

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ryder
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Match the speakers to the size of the room. What’s the size of the room?

I’m not sure what qualifies as a "full range" speaker. Perhaps one that goes down to 20 - 25 Hz ± 3dB? I’ve never owned large speakers with drivers more than 10" in my life. I’ve owned some Sonus Faber floorstanders but I’m more of a standmount guy. All my current speakers are standmounts, going down to 38 and 40 Hz and I love them for what they do. I don’t like to use subs with speakers although I own a rather high quality sub.

To me, a speaker that is able to go down to 40 Hz ± 3dB on paper is the minimum requirement in providing adequate bass satisfaction. Anything 50 Hz or higher don’t cut it for me. Having said that, I’ve read about people describing the wonderful bass produced by their small bookshelves and how it is perfectly adequate for them. These bookshelf speakers have 5" drivers, reaching down to 60 or 65 Hz or so in the bass. People have different expectations so I would not be surprised to hear about folks preferring smaller speakers in their medium to large rooms.

By the way, the Buchardt S400 MKII recommended by Tvad looks good. It has a passive radiator located at the rear of the speaker which boosts bass response. The Marten Parker Duo also works on this same principle.
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kahlenz
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In my relatively small room (13' x 21', listening on the short axis on one side of the room), I am using 2 small standmounts (Harbeth P3Rs) and one small REL T/5 floor firing sub. I find having a seperate sub useful in order to move it around to get the most satisfying bass response (something you can't do with floorstanders).
Note that my speakers start to fall off at around 75Hz, and are present but lacking in anything below around 65Hz.  They do an admirable job of carrying the musical load without the sub, but gently adding a touch of bottom end really fills out the tonal spectrum (as I nudge up the crossover and balance the volume of the T/5 you can hear the presentation grow in size - the effect is not subtle, and the result is amazing).
teo_audio
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Things would be a lot more polite and correct if everyone was forced to use their own name for a handle.

Respect and proper behavior would emerge.

Not this total mess we have come to have on internet forums.

If someone attacks, and one party uses their own name and company connection, the attacker/other should be doing the same.

Otherwise, the attackers integrity (the one with hidden origins) is, IMO and IME, quite suspect, to say the least.

This would never hold up in court, or in a given city or municipalities public meeting and so on. Not in an academic environment, not even at a meeting in a bar ...or even with a few people on the street.

Such behavior of being hidden from view and verbally/etc stabbing others violently, in such ways, is no less a problem and societal/cultural point of shame and personal degradation... than any other deeply, strongly and widely opposed human incorrectness.

I do note that the vast bulk of such nasty anti-societal (literally inhumane, uncivilized, barbaric - by all measure) behaviors are coming from those who attack audio tweaks and high end audio ideals and aspirations in product works and design.
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zappas
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Nope, full range plus subs.
ecterrel
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Hey there black WRX guy. Are you a subaru fan? It seems to be your handle “blkwrxwgn”I think Miller Carbon is a Tekton fan. He uses them for his basis of comparison. I use my speakers as a basis of comparison as well. If your sensitive and don’t like hearing about certain speaker companies may I suggest closing your eyes. Do this and MC will never bother you again.
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