Is advice from a constant upgrader to be avoided


For a while now I've been reading these forums and to be honest i was thinking of leaving. I felt a bit out of depth given that it seems so many others have had so much experience through owning what seems to be tens of speakers, amplifiers, DACs etc etc and reading people buying and selling piece after piece after piece on the search for some sound.... 

When someone asks advice about a certain item it seems like half the audience have owned it and moved on and have a comment to make. I then read about someone buying an extremely expensive amp and deciding quickly to sell it because it doesn't sound right. Then someone else is on their fourth DAC in a year. 

So all these people have advice to give. What I'm wondering now is, is advice from a person who's never content, constantly changing their system, never living with a system for long enough, and have more money than patience, really the right person to take advice from? .

There seems fewer (maybe they're less vocal) people who buy gear and spend the time to appreciate it, and have maybe only had a very few systems in their lifetime. I think I'd rate their advice higher on the gear they know than the constant flipper/upgrader.

Is the constant flipper/upgrader always going to say that the gear they used to own was no good and they've now got better? Maybe their constant searching is because their ear is no good or they're addicted to the rush of opening a new box. 

Just because person X has owned a lot of equipment doesn't mean their advice is to be sought after, it could mean the exact opposite.

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@surfcat  Wow, what reactionary comments to my post, can't even discern my agreement that experienced may in fact be trusted advisors. I simply pointed out two local flippers I wouldn't trust giving me advice. Are you making the argument that all flippers are trusted advisors?

 

Now as to why its important to  understand what you don't like before you can determine your preferences for sound quality. I'd like to think that most of us have a destination in mind  when we took up this hobby/obsession. I assume this destination is to have a wonderful at home music listening experience. Certainly most have to experience much equipment to reach this goal, equipment comes, equipment goes, the equipment that goes is what you DIDN'T like. You may also end up at a destination you discover doesn't satisfy in the long run, that may be a system that's excessively analytical or romantic, at this point you've discovered you DON"T like that particular overall sound quality.

 

And so, you say we don't need to learn what we dislike,  so the question becomes, is there anything you dislike? Why did you change out equipment if you did in fact like what you just got rid of? For no reason? You either found that piece of equipment lacking in some manner or you're just churning equipment. The churner has no destination I can discern, or at least the same destination that I and many others have.

 

Also, I can't trust the churner's opinion about any piece of equipment they're selling  or reviewing since they can't say they DIDN'T like it, remember not liking equipment or particular sound qualities is of no consequence in discovering what you do like. This is an attitude that permeates professional reviews, virtually nothing is bad here, have to read between the lines in order to discern the barrest minimum of contextual perceptions.

 

When  purchasing used equipment one of my first questions is, why are you selling this piece?  Churners never tell me anything of consequence, they'll just tell you they're moving on, the honest person will tell you what they didn't like about how piece fit in their system. I certainly have no issue with churners telling me nothing, with so many constantly changing variables (the constant churn) what else could they say. I've had churners buy equipment from me as well, saw the piece I just sold them up for sale a day or two later. Not flipping to make profit, I guess they determined after one or two listening sessions piece not good. Seems to me they could have done some due diligence and researched sound qualities of this particular piece prior to purchase and the churn. In this case I suspect addiction to the churn. This type of churner has nothing of consequence to say in reason for sale,  just as they don't in giving advice.

 

On the other hand, the former churner has reached their destination, that destination being the enjoyment of music played on that particular collection of equipment. Certainly, they may over the long run continue to change out a piece here and there, but that doesn't mean their unhappy with the present destination, rather its like visiting a formerly unknown place of interest within lived in town.

 

After nearly thirty years at this I'm so happy I've reached my destination, yes, there are some unknown places of interest in my town, but I sure love my town.

 

In conclusion, I have no problem with churners with a destination in mind, at least this person can tell you specific issues they had with equipment, they gave it a fair shake. The other kind of churner simply changes out equipment because they're moving on, what does this tell me, nothing of consequence, without a fair shake they'll tell you whatever you want to hear, or criticism that may have no merit. I also think its fair to question the credentials of those whith very limited experience with variety of equipment, they lack the contextual knowledge.

The search for betterment is the passion of the intelligent and curious mind. It is not a disease and not a symptom of a disease. The inability to understand that coupled with the need to ridicule it is, however, a symptom of retardation.

this line patent? You guy need relax by using meditate technique not the booze and dope.

these last few posts are a good discussion, perhaps a bit unnecessarily snippy, but the debate and clarification and sharpening of points back and forth are useful and enlightening to those readers who are following, if they have the patience to do so

i would remind folks that building a good sounding system requires achieving synergy up and down the chain, so sometimes, perhaps changing a source (say a dac) brings improvement in added treble clarity in an already warm-sounding system, but maybe it is a touch too far in that direction, so there is some sibilance as a result, so then one moves back from, say a solid state line stage back to a tubed one to deal with that...

maybe another improvement integrates subs in an otherwise very nice sounding standmount speaker based system, but then the user now hears with the great deep bass brought by the subs also a touch of midbass bloat, so then he/she chooses to go from the existing tube amp to a solid state one, to grip the main speakers a touch better and lean out the midbass bloat

if one is fastidious in their approach, gaining some aspect of improvement in a system may indeed also incur a penalty in another secondary aspect of the sound, so a next, knock-on move, is needed to try to keep the gain and minimize the penalty of the initial move

so it isn’t as simple as i’m selling this piece because i didn’t like it... it is much more nuanced if you know what you are doing

and it may not be that i didn’t like these speakers, maybe i found a pair that i like more, overall... this is typical if one likes a line of speakers, say harbeths, and you save for a year, move from compact 7’s to super 5’s, then you find the super 5 super tweet brings a little more sizzle than you expected on streamed music, so you go back in the chain to ameliorate that...