DIY Replacing Components in Crossovers


I have a couple pair of old speakers that I'm thinking about tinkering around with by replacing existing capacitors and/or resistors with different brands just to get a taste of how different higher quality parts affect the speaker's sound. I don't have any interest in redesigning the crossover networks, only to replace existing parts with better quality parts with the same values to see what kind of results I get. Soldering and the mechanics of replacing the parts isn't an issue for me but I just don't have much experience with the sonics of individual parts. Have any of you done this before? What has worked for you? All things being equal, do you hear much difference replacing crossover parts with better quality components? Any stories to tell? Thanks for looking.

 

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The smart way to go about it, get some high end Deulund bypass caps. Not cheap, but at .01uf you can simply add one to any existing cap and hear improvement without having to buy a cap in some value you might never be able to use anywhere else. Filter caps at .01uf can be used lots of places. The value is too low to affect the circuit, but just enough to smooth and provide rich natural detail.

Next would be resistors. Almost all are the cheap white sand power resistors. Almost anything will be better. Power makes resistors hot, heat increases resistance, resistance lowers voltage. This all happens very fast. Fast enough to affect dynamics. So use quality resistors and don’t hot glue them like everyone does but instead mount them with air flow all around.

Inductors usually have to be measured. This calls for an LCR meter. But you don’t have to measure or even replace inductors to improve them. An inductor is a coil of wire. Coils of wire produce magnetic fields. Magnetic fields interact with wires. To minimize this we place inductors at right angles to each other. At least that is what we’re supposed to do. If your speaker has more than one inductor and they are hot glued flat to the board then you can improve the sound simply by moving one to be at right angles to the other.

Also inductors work slightly better with the signal going from the inside to the outside. Not a huge difference but it is there. If it is easy to reverse the leads then go for it. Don’t cost nothin’.

In case you are keeping score that is 3 crossover upgrades I have given you that cost nothing. And we haven’t even gotten to the rubber bands.

Grannyring, bought a number of Duelund CAST PIO caps as part of a crossover upgrade. These caps are out of stock most places.

So for the midrange section, where I need 13.0uF, I bought 8.2 + 4.7 + 0.1 for one speaker and 8.2 + 3.3 + 1.5 for the other speaker.

The Duelund CAST PIO 100 Vdc caps are disk shaped, with greater uF values (like 8.2 in my case) having modestly greater height or thickness than lesser values like 4.7uF, but the roughly 7” diameter is the same for the two values just mentioned and I think for the 3.3 as well.

It seems to me that the only real option is to put the caps on top on each other, like layers in a layer cake. The leads come out of the top of the caps, close to the outside of the disk-shaped caps. So I would need some sort of spacers so that the top caps aren’t resting on the leads of the cap underneath.

I will also need a way to secure the caps to the board. I don’t like the idea of plastic ties per se, and might be more interested in a bolt screwed through the board with the thread end toward the ceiling, and some sort of clip. Several bolts / clips per cap. I may end up having to settle for plastic ties, though.

I won’t have this problem for the woofer section, where I will be using Auricap XO+ (a brand new ‘uptier’ from the XO which HHHiFi rated 11 vs 15 for the Duelunds that I selected for the other sections), or one of the tweeter caps. The other tweeter cap is 5.6 + 0.22 + 0.22 to get to close to 6.0, so I think only the 13.0 need in the midrange section needs a solution.

Any thoughts on how to best put 8.2 + 4.7 + 0.1 on the one board and 8.2 + 3.3 + 1.5 on the other, and whether stacking the discs on top of one another might cause performance issues due to the magnetic fields of each etc?

 

you can use hot glue they make it in all strengths. if you want to remove a cap you would use alcohol and a q tip and that will soften the glue. a better way is epoxy but not removable. I stack caps when there is no room. .

If you can get past his self promoting BS this is a good site to get some info too.

https://www.gr-research.com/

how you physically arrange the network plays a significant role, there is a lot happening 

here is a video that he shows the effect of different component layouts.

https://youtu.be/HqxLuTprb1U

What kind of speakers do you have? What kind of drivers? How much money do you plan to invest?

I just rebuilt my Altec 604E crossover using original crossover schematics. I just use original inductors. Capacitors in most vintage speakers are of very bad quality, especially electrolytic. Potentiometers also are very bad for sound.

Vintage Altec drivers are very well built with huge alnico magnets and good quality diaphragms. So they are really worth the investment. I can say, these speakers with original and rebuilt crossovers are completely different speakers.

I used Duelund resistors. Mills are transparent but don't hold complex music as good as Duelund.

For the 14uF capacitor I used a mix of: Duelund RS, Jupiter VT, Auricap XO, Dueuland Silver bypass.

For 3uF I used Jensen Aluminum foil PIO and Duelund bypass Cu-Sn.

But I reused most of the capacitors from previous projects.

For good value for money I can recommend Auricap XO or MIFLEX KPCU-01/03 if you want really high quality copper foil capacitors.