SET Shootout China VS The USA

Sure transformers are important but just as important are quality chokes,

and internal parts like quality capacitors,resistors, wiring,connectors even tube sockets Teflon copper are the best , and many other things.

unscrew the bottom let’s see what’s inside , I have had upgrades to tube gear many times ,most use cheap parts unless spending well over $5 k 

I don’t see any mention of the cost ?

Why, oh why am I doing this...

MF, I just watched your linked latest video where you cue up the oft paraded before the peanut gallery Sophie Milman disc. After 5 seconds of play, you immediately declare that the bass is all there. What bass? This is a typical jazz combo with single female vocalist...probably the LEAST challenging genre (for top to bottom freq. resp.) of anything out there. It would be much more revealing if you hauled something out your mythical classical music vault and slapped that into the transport if you want to demonstrate to the handful of us following this train wreck of a thread the full range capabilities of the DL drivers.

And BTW, I think you confuse percussion with bass. Every time you hear a tom or any kind of drum, no matter what the frequency, you conflate it with bass. There was no real "bass" at the beginning of that Milman cut...maybe some upper mid bass at best. That whole presentation had a decidedly midrange centric quality to it and until you see fit to play something with full range content, you'll never really know what the DL shortcomings are.

SET and FR drivers at their current state of the art, will never be the choice for audiophiles who favor low bass content music like pipe organ, EDM, techno, synth, etc. because they cannot pass muster. Yeah, I know, you're a CM man (though we have no evidence of this) so maybe you're fine with rolled off extremities but your tastes, sir, inhabit the minority.

 

Well neither will have a chance pairing them with Perfect speakers.

Hi, well,, I must say,,, actually I need a cold bucket dump,,haha. OK, got ya

WEll, in my limited audio world, thats bass in the Sophie Milman tracks.

 

 

 

Tell ya what, Stevie Wonder has a track on Inner Visions,, where the moog makes the woofers move 2-3 inches of solid slam sub- bass...maybe I will upload a quickie after this post,...I did upload a Elliott Carter score for FOUR!!! Timpini,, but this was with the Seas Thor demo.

Did not come off accurate,, the Sony cam had the timpini all distorted.

I’ll try again with the dual FR.

well, OK, so in my book, 40hz, is rock bottom. I am not least bit interested below 40hz.

So I give up the **real** bass(as you say..)) but I gain super midrange, why?

NO xovers,,WINNER

Higher sensitivity = Winner again

Double win.

PLUS its point source vs a tower like Sonus Faber, Dali, Rockport, Wilson, 3-6 drivers..

FR has decent bass/mids, nice highs all comming froma SINGLE driver.

Niceee sweetttt.

It beats me why FR has not been given their day in the sunshine.

I see Fr as the ultimate musical exp for light jazz, blues, classical.

The genres you mention, perhaps not such as 1st choice.

This is how I hear things.

Rolled off? In a 10x15 room, 60 SPL, near field, all sounds pretty good to my ears.

vs xover designs which I have issues with,, as you guys know. I am xover/low sens speakers most fierce critic

So i expect the same criticisms to come from yoyr camp against FR types.

I get that.

 

EDIT,,, was off to upload the intro to Stevie Wonders track off InnerVisions,, and realized that 1 UX250 tube went dark.

Trust me if a record has bass , these dual FR’s will deliver the goods.

8 + 6 inch cones, rockin N rollin with bass, as long as its in the actual record.

+ if I really want bass I’ll hook up the Defy with 12 Mundorf SESGO .47 caps, = will shred to confetti the wood cones in both FR speakers.

@ 12 oclock on the vol pot.

If we pushed the Defy hard, it would destroy Wilson’s biggest 8 speaker tower.

The towers would start to walk,, you

’d have to replace all woofers.

 

 

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