SET Shootout China VS The USA


2A3 SET from china arrives any day now.

The tech who loaned me his UX250 (aka 50 Tube) amp, with a  12AU7 in front + a  6BH7 (??) , has incredible pure Cobalt out trans. ($1k+ each back in 2000, now no longer in production). . he will help me set up the  2A3. 

Has a  AX+AU my 2 fav front tubes anda   quad of 2A3's. 

My speakers are pure neutrality, no coloration, no distortion,. 

So whatever amp/ source you plug in, will register the nuances inherent in the circuit.

Will be very interesting. 

USA has pure cobalt out trans which gives the edge in power, but the china 2A3 has a 2 tubes per channel.

Gonna be interesting and will post a  YT upload with comments,

AFTER TESTING IS COMPLETEED.

Hand on to your horses at the OK Corral. 

Grab a  beer at the saloon, 

sundown shootout at the edge of town. 

 

mozartfan

Why, oh why am I doing this...

MF, I just watched your linked latest video where you cue up the oft paraded before the peanut gallery Sophie Milman disc. After 5 seconds of play, you immediately declare that the bass is all there. What bass? This is a typical jazz combo with single female vocalist...probably the LEAST challenging genre (for top to bottom freq. resp.) of anything out there. It would be much more revealing if you hauled something out your mythical classical music vault and slapped that into the transport if you want to demonstrate to the handful of us following this train wreck of a thread the full range capabilities of the DL drivers.

And BTW, I think you confuse percussion with bass. Every time you hear a tom or any kind of drum, no matter what the frequency, you conflate it with bass. There was no real "bass" at the beginning of that Milman cut...maybe some upper mid bass at best. That whole presentation had a decidedly midrange centric quality to it and until you see fit to play something with full range content, you'll never really know what the DL shortcomings are.

SET and FR drivers at their current state of the art, will never be the choice for audiophiles who favor low bass content music like pipe organ, EDM, techno, synth, etc. because they cannot pass muster. Yeah, I know, you're a CM man (though we have no evidence of this) so maybe you're fine with rolled off extremities but your tastes, sir, inhabit the minority.

 

Hi, well,, I must say,,, actually I need a cold bucket dump,,haha. OK, got ya

WEll, in my limited audio world, thats bass in the Sophie Milman tracks.

 

 

 

Tell ya what, Stevie Wonder has a track on Inner Visions,, where the moog makes the woofers move 2-3 inches of solid slam sub- bass...maybe I will upload a quickie after this post,...I did upload a Elliott Carter score for FOUR!!! Timpini,, but this was with the Seas Thor demo.

Did not come off accurate,, the Sony cam had the timpini all distorted.

I’ll try again with the dual FR.

well, OK, so in my book, 40hz, is rock bottom. I am not least bit interested below 40hz.

So I give up the **real** bass(as you say..)) but I gain super midrange, why?

NO xovers,,WINNER

Higher sensitivity = Winner again

Double win.

PLUS its point source vs a tower like Sonus Faber, Dali, Rockport, Wilson, 3-6 drivers..

FR has decent bass/mids, nice highs all comming froma SINGLE driver.

Niceee sweetttt.

It beats me why FR has not been given their day in the sunshine.

I see Fr as the ultimate musical exp for light jazz, blues, classical.

The genres you mention, perhaps not such as 1st choice.

This is how I hear things.

Rolled off? In a 10x15 room, 60 SPL, near field, all sounds pretty good to my ears.

vs xover designs which I have issues with,, as you guys know. I am xover/low sens speakers most fierce critic

So i expect the same criticisms to come from yoyr camp against FR types.

I get that.

 

EDIT,,, was off to upload the intro to Stevie Wonders track off InnerVisions,, and realized that 1 UX250 tube went dark.

Trust me if a record has bass , these dual FR’s will deliver the goods.

8 + 6 inch cones, rockin N rollin with bass, as long as its in the actual record.

+ if I really want bass I’ll hook up the Defy with 12 Mundorf SESGO .47 caps, = will shred to confetti the wood cones in both FR speakers.

@ 12 oclock on the vol pot.

If we pushed the Defy hard, it would destroy Wilson’s biggest 8 speaker tower.

The towers would start to walk,, you

’d have to replace all woofers.

 

 

Flight of the Cosmic Hippo, that should do it.    I can see the blue plasma … from here…

I am a Flek of Robot in a Bella Universe 

All of the (your) Youtube videos you have linked here sound awful to me, and...

 

this is coming from someone who has used single wide range drivers (on a meager budget) for almost 20 years now.

 

If you "really" want the better/type of sound that this approach "can" offer you first need to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

DeKay