Turntable upgrade recommendations: SME vs AMG vs Technics vs other

Dear @drbond  : I think that you don't need to buy that 30/2 when the new 15 with the V tonearm can gives you at least 90% of a new 30/2 quality performance.

Now it's a hard call against a new 30/2 but vs a 27 year old 30/2 the call is different because it's not that SME can check up the used TT but that through all those 27 years SME made it a lot of refinements to its TTs with out notice for the customers.

Next is a review of the 15 but with the 309 tonearm that's inferior quality performer than the V class levels:

R,

I would love to hear or even read about a head to head comparison between the MC2000 and the Verissimo. Not at all because I dream the MC2000 is better but only because that would be a great way to dissect out the improvements that nearly 30 years of tinkering have wrought. It would have to be done on top of the line equipment and using the exact same devices (tonearm, turntable, phono, etc) in each case. If I could not be present myself, it would be great to have the evaluations of 2 or 3 experienced listeners. MF is in a position to do these sorts of comparisons, but he probably wouldn’t, because of vested financial interests. The trick would be to find a mint NOS MC2000. For that matter, the comparison could be done with any of several of the many models that lie chronologically between the MC2000 and the Verissimo. Raul has already intimated that the A95, Anna, and Verissimo are quite different sounding, one from the other. Yet they are only separated by a couple of years of development.

@rauliruegas, with dozens of mc’s in my possession I have promised myself ( and my wife): no more cartridges. So I will not hear the Verismo in my own system, but I will get a chance to hear it at a local retailer I’ve known for many years. I will bring my own A95 and Anna and we’ll do a comparison in a controlled environment. The system used will likely be SME 15 table with V tonearm, Gryphon amplification and Harbeth 40 series speakers. Or something else they carry on a similar level. If and when that happens I’ll report our findings.

@lewm, I might bring along the MC2000 (and perhaps the MC7500) as well for an interesting historic perspective. Comparing new and vintage cartridges in my own system over the years has confirmed the impression that no major sonic breakthroughs have been accomplished over the last 30-40 years of cartridge design. Not by Ortofon and not by others. But I’ll admit, prices did go through the roof.

edge, I own both of those, too. However, as a verifiable "cheapskate", I have never stepped up to purchase a modern cartridge that is acknowledged to be top rung. For that reason, I cannot claim to know how the current state of the art would compare to the MC2000 or even to my favorite MI type cartridges. I own some near SOTA cartridges but none that is really at the top. Raul does have such listening experiences, on the other hand. So I am not about to contradict his apparent conviction that we have come a long way. (I do ask myself the question how much better can a >$10,000 cartridge get, compared to the ones I like best in my systems.) For sure, the commercial sector wants us to believe that the trend is ever onward and upward. Like you, I expect its more horizontal with little ticks upward every once in a while.

I just read the specs of the Verisimo.  I wonder why they quote lateral, rather than vertical, compliance.  I do believe that a major virtue of the MC2000 is its high vertical compliance.  The data on the Verisimo do not permit a direct comparison of compliance parameters.

@rauliruegas

Thanks for your direction to the SME model 15A with series V tonearm. That is about the same price as an SME model 20/3A with series V tonearm. Would you recommend the model 20/3A over the model 15A?