Think ill just go with a lumin


Starting out anew. reading all of the post into the wee evening hours, and getting more and more confused, I think I may just get a Lumin DAC/streamer combo. D2 or T2 i suppose, maybe an S1 if i can find one a little cheaper and I scrimp and save a little more.

My situation is rebuilding from scratch, so waiting for pieces to come together. Going with a Mac MA 352, and a pair of devore o96 speakers. Smallish room, just plan on streaming and putting a turntable onto the system, but nothing else. Figure i will just subscribe to tidal or Qbouz for the convenience, although anything appl conected is a plus. Will have a hard wire connection and decent wifi. I suppose i am most worried about how technology may change, and whether I should go R2R, but that rabbit hole started to make my head hurt.

If anyone has some opinions, either it wont work or seems like a solid approach, views are much appreciated.

 

skiforbagels

Can’t say that I’m less confused, but at least I know a lot more about the components.  
 

I really am not married to specific audio sources.  My cds are not sacd quality so don’t care about them that much. Apple Music has been a go to, but adding a qobuz or tidal at $20/ month is not an issue.  Really a clean slate, with streaming from a good monthly service provider and phono my end goal.  
 

This conversation has made separate components more interesting, if anything at lower $$s, mistakes are less costly.  
 

thanks again all. 

Ok. On reading professional reviews. This confused me early on,  a long time ago. But reviews should say, “for the money”. So, if you see an A rated $1.5 K component and a $10K component grouped in the same category.. you can be sure the $10K will blow away the cheaper one. For the money is always implied. I have heard and owned many in the same categories.

 

As far as choices. Only streaming and vinyl is appropriate in 2021. Do Qubuz… most audiophiles choose for best sound quality and largest selection of hi Rez streaming. As far as components. You have to put something together to start with. Get yourself a reference. Then you can read about the components you have and see if you want to upgrade and how.

 

Nothing wrong with starting with an integrated… you can always upgrade the DAC and use as a streamer… until you can upgrade the streamer. Make sure you like the MAC sound, it is very well liked… but to me is best for rock music only. Provided you like the sound, good choice. If you are unsure then go listen to an all MAC system somewhere, see what you think. I personally love the sound of Audio Reserach, but that is why there are different brands.

Overall, good approach. Did I see the speakers? These will be really important choices in a small room.

It’s a great choice, from many angles.  And when after a few months or a year you start to wonder if there is something better sounding, there may be but it’s not worth it.  The T2 is awesome for a ‘modest’ system.  I’ve had about 10 DACs/streamers since I had the T2, and I could easily go back to it.  The big question is the preamp and you mentioned a turntable - a bit more expensive but you might want to look at something like the Mytek Manhattan, which can do those too ands sounds good.  And headphones….  But even after a few years on the market I think the Lumin is still at the front of the pack for quality, features, reliability, etc., and at the price.

@skiforbagels  I would just get the KRELL K-300i integrated. Plug in your wired Ethernet cable and fire up ROON on you iPhone to stream from Tidal and Qubuz. I do that in my bedroom. The sound is incredible. Just read up the many reviews on this unit. I just bought a separate KRELL 175 XD amp because I liked the amp section of the K-300i so much.

https://www.krellhifi.com/products/k-300i-integrated-stereo-amplifier/

Chances are the KRELL will sound just as good or much better than the MAC you are considering. You cannot get any simpler than this.

In my setup I actually have 2 streaming inputs. The built-in KRELL Network streaming (RJ45 Ethernet) and a external Fibre optical streaming to an external DAC. The external streaming was only added because I had an extra DAC and streamer that was not needed in another system. Prior to that change, I was happy with the single box solution built-in KRELL streaming. 

There are other integrated amps with similar features as the KRELL.

BTW - I think Fibre optic streaming is where you get the best results. However, there is much to be said for a single box, that sounds incredible, and is not complicated to use. My Fibre streaming setup is more complicated and I only recommend that to people that are comfortable dealing with software and home computer network issues.

The D2 is a sleeper… excellent product. 
there is a lot of whining about the app, but if one take the time and learns it, and also has good skills on music library organization, it works perfectly and sounds excellent. $$  it open box items exist.