Streaming, Optimization and compromises


So, find out Covid hit some family members, Christmas called off so here at home with time on hands.

 

First off, this thread not for objectivists for whom general service computer good enough, heard your objections prior, no need to repeat.

 

Recently I've come to realization my extreme optimized mac mini will become obsolete sometime in near future. So once again investigating future server replacement.

 

First off, any quality server solution requires good power supply, whether internal or external, pure lps or combo of lps and switching such as Antipodes offers.

 

Now we come to output, I'm going to concentrate on the two most common outputs available, usb and ethernet. The first is usb, an inherently compromised digital audio interface. So we have a number of ways usb implemented in servers, usb directly off motherboard and various schemes for usb optimization. Directly off motherboard is serious compromise, noise inherent to motherboard, add to that running added processes to motherboard, therefore,  need to act as streamer in addition to server, which adds even more noise. Also, using motherboard power supply and motherboard clocking, all are serious compromises. Now, we can optimize usb output either internal or external, dedicated power supplies and clocking can improve usb out. In spite of all this, still have inherent liabilities of usb.

 

And now we come to ethernet out, a superior solution in my experience. I've bridged thunderbolt as ethernet out on my mac mini, far superior sound quality to the motherboard usb out. While I can't directly speak to superiority of ethernet to usb outputs on all servers, for sake of discussion I'll presume this to be true. My reasoning for this is with ethernet out one has option for FMC (fiber) and outboard streamer. Fiber eliminates all noise prior to FMC and outboard streaming relieves motherboard of those duties and isolates many choices of optimized streamer and dedicated power supplies for those steamers. These streamers will also optimize usb with dedicated clock. Your could also have many options of streamer/dac with ethernet out.

 

The way I see it, even ethernet out is somewhat compromised in that in order to take advantage of fiber's advantages one must use FMC. I'm now beginning to see fiber output on servers, Sonictransporter I9 is one I know of. Advantage of this is eliminating clutter in form of one FMC and attendant lps, although in my case requires FMC adapter.

 

At this point, I'd suggest ultimate streaming solution would be fiber out server to fiber capable streaming dac, lowest noise and reduction of clutter. Until this happens I see all present solutions as compromised to some degree. As far as my top choices for off the shelf solutions at this very moment. Antipodes, Innuos both have ethernet out options, both compromised usb outs except on highest level models. Mojo Audio Deja Vu has both optimized usb and ethernet on board.

 

What do others have to say in regard to my criticisms of usb outputs vs ethernet outs? Have any of you directly compared optimized usb to optimized ethernet outs on same server in your own setup? My take is usb meaningless, and if ethernet out is preferred setup, most server moves will be lateral for me. Doubtless  better usb out solutions available vs my  lousy mac mini usb outs, again, this not part of my question. Also, I'm not looking at streaming dacs in this equation. I'm happy with present dac with optimized usb in at this point. My discussion is only meant to compare server usb vs ethernet out interfacing with usb dacs.

sns

@sns That's one of the main reasons that prompted me to build a server. My current computer is too old to update to newest version of Mac OSX, which is required for HQPlayer. Roon has upsampling, and I have compared native PCM to upsampling to DSD128 (my DAC is limited to DSD128 over PCM). I prefer upsampling to DSD, hence my requirement for adequate processing power. PCM is more forward sounding with more thickness in the midrange, but has a level of fuzziness. DSD pushes the soundstage rearward and removes this fuzz. Overall sounds cleaner, more air, with more perceived resolution. But this is a discussion for another topic.

HQPlayer has even more powerful upsampling than Roon. The player is supposedly better sounding than Roon, as well. I'm sure you are aware of the benefits of upsampling to DSD external of DAC. Delta-sigma DAC's like your Musetec automatically convert PCM to DSD internally. Powerful software like HQPlayer does the conversion external of DAC, and does so more effectively. This is a process removed from the DAC, instead done by the server which is more suited for the role.

Well, I certainly don't like Roon dsp, reason I wanted to try HQplayer. Also want to give Audirvana Studio a try, slightly preferred sound quality of older version Audirvana vs Roon back in that time. Audirvana requires newer os as well.

 

My mini can be upgraded to latest mac os, my issue is since so many processes disabled worried about  os upgrade. I may have to go back and undo all the optimizations, including dos command optimizations to have glitch free os upgrade.

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You will want to look at the company small green computer. They have already addressed these issues. In their process they have concluded that it does not matter how much noise and rf are in the output as once you feed it into fiber as part of the output it is eliminated. 

@sns With your building comfort/experience, DIY will give you the most performance for the money. In my case, saving time and effort led me to SGC i5 and optical rendu to take advantage of the fibre benefits you mentioned. It works and sounds great, but compared to DIY builds using premium parts, you'll save a bit doing it yourself. 

+1 @gdnrbob the crowd on ..style will provide far more experience on things like comparisons of motherboards. DIYaudio might be another good source.

I've recently read that fibre cable can go very long runs without picking up noise or degrading quality at all. If FMC in an audiograde switch with FMC and running fibre cable through the house is an option, that might be worth exploring towards your assertion of "ultimate will be..." Cheers,

Spencer