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''Óriginal parts'', ''identity '' and ''retip'' conundrum

The ''identity enigma'' is easy to explain with ''ownership''. Not everyone is familiar with logic or philosophy but everyone owns something or other.

Ownership assume ''one to one relation'' between an person (legal

bodies included) and one object of ownership. Think of question how

you can prove to own some object. You can also think about question

how to prove to be owner of, say an part of your stolen car.

What the ''force'' of the expression ''original'' is , is an enigma.

However Americans are typical example of   people who are very

fond of ''original parts'' and willing to pay huge amount of money

for the ''precious'' (grin). By the so called ''retips'' the assumption

is also ''original'' versus ''not original parts''. This means that 

every manufacturer as well ''retiper'' uses his own styli and or

cantilevers. The fact however is that they all buy those ''parts''

by either by Namiki or Ogura. So, logicaly speaking, the origin

of those ''parts'' are either Namiki or Ogura. Is gluing an cantilever/

stylus combo in the ''joint pipe'' rocket science?

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nandric OP
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Those who make sarcastic comments on ''second hand English''

obviously have the illusion that the ''native speakers'' are able to

express their thoughts clearly. 

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terry, Never seen an production line for cartridges? Those are imply

by AT story about ''selected  parts'' by ''selected technician'' in the

USA (aka Signet kinds) not Japan. AT 180, 170 and 160 don't

mention any such ''selection''. BTW in Frege's time there were

no retips.

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terry , I am still waiting for your explanation  of identity without logic

and philosophy. In ordinary language that is. This way you can 

''spare us'' from ''elementary philosophy'' (your invention?) 

terry9
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@nandric

I was speaking of high end cartridges, all or partially made by hand, not assembly line. As for assembly line cartridges, I do expect sample to sample variation, because of materials or tolerances - that is, serendipity.

I retired from teaching, so I have no obligation to correct you. Nevertheless, I can point you to a good reference, Thouless's 'Straight and Crooked Thinking'. It's quite accessible. Then try Wittgenstein's 'Blue and Brown Books', less accessible, but not too hard..

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terry, ''elementary logic'' has this form: ''If P then p&q''

This means:  if the premise is true than also the deduced sentences p&q

But if ''P is not true neither are p&g''.

You  specify your Premise ''ex post''. In JCarr explanation you now

assume 3th of 4 th level styli and cantilevers. which are ordered by

either Ogura or Namiki. My (arbitrary line) was $3000. This is my

assumption about ( dover's) budget . What an ''average'' member

can pay for an cart.

So I deed provide my PREMISE IN ADVANCE but you deed not..

For ''my level'' of styli and cantilevers an retip with the combo is

+./- 500 euro. Stylus solo is not easy to find because this retip is

,ore difficult to do. This explanation I got from my friend Axel with

+ 40 years experience with cartridge repair. The combo is more

easy and also more expensive. He also got styli and cantilevers 

from either Ogura or Namiki. Think now again about my statement:

''why should an manufacturer do this job better''? 

 

Who cares about +15 K carts with 4th level (diamond) cantilevers

and ''gold plated'' styli (grin). 

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