30 to 50 watts seems to be all I desire


Weird, but in my small listening room (12x16) no matter the speakers used, to a T they all can be driven quite superbly with amps in the 30 to 50 watt range.  This includes the Maggie 1.7.

I had a few 200 watt amps in rotation but took them out for now because I never got past about 8:00 or at most 9:00 on the preamp, and oftentimes it was around the 7:30 mark.

So I personally don’t buy into the lower efficiency speakers needing gobs of power to sound good.  Caveat:  Listening to mainly Jazz at volumes less than 85db, normally.

Cheers, all.

 

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@dynamiclinearity said "Power is used for very, very short term transients which can be 20 to 30 dB"

This misrepresents what is actually on recordings. Over two decades, I transferred over 1,000 LPs -- from rock to classical -- from LP to digital format, so spent a lot of time watching loudness levels during the transfer, using Adobe Audition. I've never seen a recording where the average loudness level allowed for 20 or 30 dB peaks.

Now, lots of recordings have "dynamic range" in excess of 30 dB, but that includes the soft parts -- perhaps a solo instrument being softly played during an orchestral recording.  But, the quieter parts of a recording are supposed to be played at a soft level.  Those soft parts are well below the average level.

Then there are rock recordings where one often sees the average level almost at the max level permitted by the media -- one may be lucky to have 3 dB peaks in such recordings -- remember the loudness wars?

Simply put, if your average recorded level is -6 dB, there is simply no place to put a 30 dB peak transient.  If it existed in the live music, its been lopped off in the recording. LPs are slightly different from digital recordings, but they also have their limits, too.

In short, to have a 30 dB peak transient on a digital recording, the average playback level would have to be 30 dB down. There aren't very many recordings that meet that criteria.

I use a Keces E40.  Measured 34 watts/61 watts at 8/4 ohms when it reaches 0.7% distortion.  Company claims up to 15 amps/channel max output.

It's a little powerhouse that's on the warmer and smoother side but retains lots detail with really good separation and stage depth.  I also own a Hegel which I may sell as the Keces is really doing it for me.

Preferred it over other amps I tried from Emotiva, Musical Fidelity M2si and Rega Brio, among others. The Emotiva had a bit more extended highs but flabbier bass and sounded 2D to me.  The M2si was gritty to me, lacked refinement and sounded more like a PA amp.   The Brio is nice enough, but more expensive and I still like the Keces better.

So, lower power but still robust for an affordable price.  IMO.

 

Mark Schneider, owner of Linear Tube Audio uses a single ZOTL40 to power his Maggie’s. I’ve heard them in his home and the synergy is spectacular.

I drive really low efficiency speakers (86 dB electrostatics) with 45 watts (big Class A watts, but only a max of 45 of them) with no need for any more.

Had big amps in the past, Perreaux, Krell, etc. but now go tubing with a 30 Watt Triode/60 Ultra-linear Cary piece. Can't see myself ever going back unless I absolutely fall in love (again) with a power hungry speaker. System symmetry is paramount. Have to pay close attention to what components get mated togther. I'm in the pocket right now with my modest setup