Seeking advice for speakers for my Family Room


 Hello experts,

I am starting out on my quest to finally get some quality speakers, mostly making do with off-brand in-walls, in-ceilings for the most part for my family room.

And wanted to get your advice on what speakers to get for my kind of use case.

USE:

So, these will be used in my Family Room where I will be using them for 60/40 movie watching/listening music.  Ocassionally, we would like to be able to pump up the volume and listen to either multi channel audio or 2 channel music for parties etc.

ROOM:

The room has a lot of hard, reflective surfaces (tile flooring, some, tile on the wall behind the TV, it also is a large room (36' wide x 18' deep with 9' ceilings). However, my main listening position/couch and media cabinet and the floor standers will be in the left 15' portion of the width of the room and at 13' away from the speakers/TV.  Pictures attached below.

 


EQUIPMENT:

My receiver is Denon x3700H and I have a Polk PSW-505 12" sub. Eventually, I am open to getting an external amp to use with the pre-outs of my receiver, something like this Class D amp Purifi based VTV stereo amp. But first, I wanted to get my speaker selection nailed down.

 

SOURCE: 

At the moment, I have tried only YT Music (at 256kbps AAC) since I already have a subscription for this. I am not an audiophile and neither is my use case for critical listening. So, while I understand there are better SQ options for streaming music, I have my reasons for sticking with YT music (lyrics, music videos etc)

 

SPEAKERS AUDITIONED:

I have tried the Klipsch RP-280FA with the Klipsch RP440C center channel and found them unbearably harsh/bright. Tried several modes, but couldn't even get through 2 songs without having to stop. This was at loud volumes...

Next, I tried the KEF R11's and these were MUCH better, but I still found the highs a bit bright.

Other contenders (based on what I am hearing are considered a bit more warmer speakers) I have not tried yet but would like to get some advice on before just going through the hassle of ordering, setting up, trying etc:

-Wharfedale EVO 4.4

-Sonus Faber Lumina V (would have to wait a long time to even get these)

 

Maybe later, I might look into room treatments, but I am thinking I will leave that for later, that can be a slippery slope/money pit, but for now, I am looking for speakers that don't sound harsh/bright at loud volumes for extended periods of time. I will probably get a matching center as well (for HT/movies) that would need to provide clear dialog. 

Thanks,

KG

 

ROOM PICS:

 

 

kgtunes

KG,

 

Glad you're addressing room acoustics before making any equipment changes.  You can spend a fortune on equipment, but if your acoustics are bad you'll never get great sound.  I don't think you have to go overboard on treatment either.  Adding a larger rug and heavy drapes will go a long way on lowering the room glare.  A  2" canvas covered art panel will do some good and won't stick out visually in a Family room setting.  If this were a dedicated listening room I would go with 4" or 6" thick panel; I'm considering the spousal acceptance factor here. 

You could use a much larger artwork here or perhaps a two piece diptych. These really are a relatively low cost way to go.  Do all these changes one at a time and you'll see how each one helps.  Let me know how it goes.  This is one of the fun parts of this hobby, these small changes can add up to big improvements.  Hey, where is your sub located?

Room treatments should be number 1 on your list.  GIK acoustics makes some attractive panels with scatter plates or the art decco series looks like pictures hanging on your wall. I’d get those little triangle things to put in the top corners of the room. Having good room treatments will make the entire place more relaxing even in silence.  Conversations, especially with 4,5,6 people in the room, will be much easier heard and more easy to understand (speech intelligibility).  

After room treatments, hunt down some warm, laid back speakers.  Something with silk dome tweeters would be my recommendation.
 

 

 

@kgtunes 

SF speakers are very nice and we auditioned those and the Focals at the same time. The SF were a bit warm for us it seemed the Focals had better detail. You can’t go wrong with SF tho. Happy listening ! 
 

Ron 

-Do these wall art panels need to be a certain thickness to be effective at sound absorbtion?

A sound panel does not really need to be thicker than 2". You only need really thick panels if you want to treat/absorb bass frequencies. I don’t think you will have bass node issues in your very large room and connected rooms.

 

It makes sense to put the speakers wider so that they are in front of the windows for the window treatments to absorb the sound. Will look into acoustic panels, larger rug and artwork on the side wall. The back wall is going to be an issue

There is a reason to put absorption right behind the speakers. When sound is generated by speakers, the sound waves will be reflected by the walls behind your listening position. Many reflections make their way back torwards the speaker and are actually reflected again by the wall "directly behind the speaker". This double-echo is what you want to avoid. That is the primary reason for recommending you move the speakers wider to be in front of the windows and use very heavy curtains as a sound absorber for mid and high frequencies.

Ultimately, that whole tile floor as well as the tile wall behind the tv is what is killing you. Drywall is pretty okay for acoustics, but you still want to catch first reflections.

Wall behind TV - I would look into maybe doing a heavy curtains here. One heavy curtain behind the tv to cover the tile - or possibly a diffusion panel to cover the tile. The diffusion panel could get expensive. Then heavy curtains for the windows. If you use curtains for both tile and windows, maybe think about floor-to-ceiling curtains so that the window/tile sections all look uniform (this is good for wife-acceptance-factor).

Left wall - you currently have this multi-colored painting. I would look into getting a couple of GIK Acoustics art deco panels. Maybe a couple of 24x24 panels. Or even a big 48x36 if you want. You don’t need a whole lot of treatment on this wall, but you do need some.  The panel should come down to the level of the couch.  Good hint - put a mirror on the left wall and move it around.  If there is a point where you can see the speakers from your listening position on the couch, you definitely need a panel there. See here:

https://www.gikacoustics.com/product-category/acoustic-art-panels/

Floors - put as many large thick area rugs as possible. You have a small rug in front of your couch and I also see a small rug under that coffee table. I think the tile floor right in front of the speaker should get thick rugs for sure.

Backyard windows - this is likely far away enough where it won’t affect acoustics too much, but you can put curtains on these windows as well if you still need a little bit more echo absorption. This will help.