Law of Accelerated Returns

Interesting experience indeed that reflected a fact which can be verified here in Audiogon...

The ignorance of acoustic and psycho-acoustic science is proportionate to the perveived attention FOCUSING on the gear "tasted" sound...

People in acoustic experiment focus instead  on timbre perception and music perception  to create the best audiophile environment in their house/room/system...

Ignorance of acoustic is the common link among the subjectivist and objectivist complete underestimation of the power of acoustic control to deliver and TRANSLATE the recorded initial acoustic event in another acoustic event in your room  ...

We listen to the seaker/room relation not to an amplifier ALONE....Or to a dac alone....

It is the reason why i dont feel i am a "normal" or the regular audiophile....

I dont mind about the gear after i chose a very good one to begin with... The audiophile work begin AFTER the gear is chosen... Upgrading is a deception BEFORE you can control the mechanical, electrical and acoustical embeddings  working dimensions of the system...

I actually haven’t heard many systems. I attended a couple meetings of a local audiophile society and felt very out of place, as the emphasis was very much on gear. No-one wanted to talk about music.

 

@mahgister 

"We listen to the s[p]eaker/room relation not to an amplifier ALONE....Or to a dac alone...."

Yes!  And along with synergy between room and gear, there is synergy between components. For these reasons, I never buy anything I cannot try out in my room and return, if necessary. 

Yes there is a synergy or his lack of synergy between gear and UNCONTROLLED normal room...

But we can recreated the room and midify it to correlate to our specific audio system..

This modification of a room by mechanical controlling method inspired by Helmholtz iswhatintereste me and what i spoke about..

Then acoustic method can be used to make any room to be synergetically optimal for any gear...

Then you can buy anything which is "relatively good" and before upgrading it you must work on the room to makeit working at his peak level quality wise...

Upgrading before that is waste of money and ignorance of what you try to evaluate because you try to evaluate his quality in an uncontrolled room...

Yes!  And along with synergy between room and gear, there is synergy between components. For these reasons, I never buy anything I cannot try out in my room and return, if necessary. 

How much one appreciates a certain improvement and how much it costs to get it are the two most important factors to consider.

@mahgister 

"Upgrading before that is waste of money and ignorance of what you try to evaluate because you try to evaluate his quality in an uncontrolled room."

I don't believe there's much more I can do (beyond rugs, curtains, soft furniture) to control my room. Nevertheless, the sound of my system has continued to improve over time, via gear upgrades.

I'd agree that upgrades that do not produce significant improvements could be deemed a "waste" and that lack of improvement could be attributed to "ignorance".

In other words, if I had no idea regarding what, exactly, I wanted to improve and just bought gear randomly, hoping something would somehow change for the better, that would be wasteful and ignorant. But that's not my approach. I can't afford that approach! 

I don't upgrade unless I can clearly identify what it is I want to change and I do a lot of research. Also, I generally will not buy anything I cannot return. My main goal the last time around was improving bass grip and clarity in the lower mids. Replacing the integrated I had with a Hegel H390 proved massively successful in these areas but also, dramatically improved resolution, overall. Speaker/amp matching was so much better that it was as though I'd gotten a new set of speakers along with the amp. I am not speaking of subtle improvements, here. 

Would I prefer to have a better-controlled room? Sure. Should I therefore decline to attempt to make any improvements in SQ via gear upgrades ? Not in my opinion, based upon the success I've had so far. It may well be that I will reach a point at which I can no longer compensate for weaknesses attributable to  the room. But if I had never tried upgrading gear, I would be tolerating much, much poorer SQ than I enjoy at present.  The same would be true had I never begun participating, here;  there is no question that AudiogoN forum members have been instrumental in the gains my system has made.