Why do I need power management if I have a great power cord?


Isn't it kind of unnecessary to additionally add a power conditioner if I have an expensive audio file grade Power cord connected to a component?

So you buy a Power conditioner from a hi-fi store and they say oh, you need a really good power cord to go with that and then another one to go from conditioner to the component. Do you need it all and why? Seems the last couple of feet before the component should be more than enough.

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Power cords obey Ohm’s Law. Voltage drops across them can cause a very measurable loss of power in an amplifier. In that manner it can affect distortion and output impedance too.

The voltage drop is easy to measure with a regular digital voltmeter. So this isn’t anything mysterious.

A good power conditioner is helpful too. A glorified power strip that gets called a ’power conditioner’ is not. The latter forces all the equipment to obtain its power through the same power cord, FWIW.

A proper power conditioner will not limit current, it will be able to guarantee the AC sine wave distortion (you’ll see that in its specs) and should be able to regulate the AC line voltage. One of the more pesky AC line aberrations is the 5th harmonic, which can cause power transformers to become noisy, power rectifiers to become noisy and can affect synchronous motors found in turntables and tape machines.

There are very few power conditioners offered to high end audio that can do everything I’ve mentioned here.

That means that most people on this thread, in particular those that think power conditioners don’t make a difference, simply haven’t heard what a proper conditioner can actually do. Its not as if they are wrong; most of what they have heard simply doesn't work!

That is why there is controversy on this topic.

I know of only two power conditioners that seem to work. One is made by PSAudio. The other was made by a company called Elgar, who got out of the power conditioning market a long time ago, so if you find one of their conditioners (they show up on ebay) its likely it will have to be refurbished.

A proper power conditioner has to have active components- if passive (for example a choke or transformer is all that’s involved) it won’t work. To give you an idea of why, let’s take the Elgar as an example. It has a low distortion 60Hz oscillator that is synchronized to the incoming AC power. The AC power goes through an isolation transformer that also has windings to run the conditioner’s internal power supplies. Feedback is taken from the output and compared to the low distortion oscillator; this correction voltage is applied to the isolation transformer as correction (through a power amplifier built in); in addition it also is used to buck the output voltage so that voltage is thus regulated without current limiting.

That’s a bit of sophistication! If you don’t have that in your power conditioner, it can’t filter out the 5th harmonic, it won’t be able to correct line voltage, it won’t be able to provide a clean AC waveform to your stereo. Put another way, +90% of all ’high end audio’ ’conditioners’ are so much junk.

If y’all want to argue about this topic, at least have the facts available!

 

Whenever I read these threads about the value of (type your product of choice here) I think about my own journey towards great sound.  If I may, I would throw out this analogy.  You wouldn’t notice the difference in the mirror if you have gained an ounce, but you sure can tell the difference if you put on 20 pounds.  I believe my stereo system is a bit like this.  Did I hear a big improvement with any individual change, be it an upgrade in power cords, the addition of my Furman conditioner, putting my speakers on platforms, ISO Acoustics under my turntable………    The answer would be no.  Does my system sound freaking awesome at the end of it all?  YES.  Sometimes the whole is truly greater than the sum of its parts.  Is this where I drop the microphone?   😁

@testpilot

 

”Why do I need clean water if I have good quality copper pipes? ”

 

Good one.

I take a break from listening to music when the leaf blowers get near. Hopefully they will be replaced by electric soon… mine is.

From Audio Research VT80SE manual. This manufacturer gets it:

"A.C. Power Connection It is important that the VT80 SE be connected via its supplied 20 amp IEC 12-gauge power cord to a secure, dedicated A.C. power receptacle. Never connect to convenience power receptacles on other equipment. Only use the power switch on the front of the VT80 SE for On/Off control of the amplifier, or the 12V start-up trigger for remote installations. The AC power source for the VT80 SE amplifier should be capable of supplying 10 amperes for 100 or 120 volt units, or 5 amperes for 220 or 240 volt units. For the very best performance on 100 or 120 volt circuits, the VT80 SE should be connected to its own AC power circuit branch, protected by a 15 amp breaker. The preamplifier and other audio equipment should be connected to a different power circuit and breaker. "

Note that it requires 10 amps at 120V.  That is 1200 Watts.  Nameplate wattage for this amp is 200 watts at low power.  This is the concept that many "audiophiles" reject.

 

It’s been fun and interesting reading all these responses this morning. I didn’t mean to hijack this thread from the author. I have a question for those of you out there that believe that the majority of these products make a difference. Let’s use transparent cable as an example. Their interconnects range in price from a few hundred dollars to $37,000 for a pair. What makes them worth $37,000 a pair? Just to give a reference of what $37,000 will buy, here is a list of the top 10 cars that $37,000 will get you. 

 

10 Best Luxury Cars Under $35,000

  • 2022 Buick Encore GX.. 
  • 2022 Cadillac CT4. ... 
  • 2022 Acura ILX. ... 
  • 2022 Mini Countryman. ... 
  • 2022 Buick Envision. ... 
  • 2022 BMW X2. ... 
  • 2022 Lexus UX. ... 
  • 2022 Mercedes-Benz A-Class.

 

I know I know this is America you can charge whatever you want blah blah blah. Don’t you think that this kind of makes people wonder what kind of voodoo is making two pieces of wire worth $37,000. Do you think it helps or hurts the argument that something weird is going on?