Another “How to choose an arm” question


I currently have a Sota Saphire running an SAEC We317 arm (221mm spindle to pivot and 12 mm overhang).

That is running a Garrott Bros p77i, but I have been looking at some LOMC cartridges, as well as SoundSmith LO-MI, AT ART, etc.

How is one supposed to determine their current arm is good or not?

It sounds fine and I would think that the knife edge design is not prone to a lot of wear.
However it was recommend that I upgrade the arm… But how would I know “to what”, and how would I know if the upgrade is worthwhile?

I was looking at some DD tables to have a more expanded choice of arms that can be mounted, as the Sota is a bit restrictive in that regard. That is still on the cards as a possibility… however assuming that the Sota is a keeper, then how do I determine the arm’s adequacy, being “fit for purpose”?

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@lewm , I have extensive experience with The Voice which I own and I have heard the Sussurro but not together in the same system. My feeling is that they sound very much the same. I did not have a chance to subject the Sussurro to a tracking test but I would bet The Voice would do better given it's higher compliance. The Voice is 2 grand less expensive but it really depends on your phono stage and what it works best with. The Voice is as neutral as a Windfeld Ti and even a better tracker. It never looses it composure which I really like. The build quality is as good or better than any cartridge I have used. I would have to make a really big jump to do better which I am in the process of doing. I ordered a Lyra Atlas Lambda SL from Galen Carol Audio in Texas ( he has no idea when it will show up) and it looks like I am going to get a Channel D Seta L Plus phono stage. It can be switched back and forth between voltage and current (transimpedance) modes. It is even better than the Lino C. The only down side is that it is not as versatile. If the Lyra is as good as everyone says it is I'll only need one setup. I'll save my old ARC to play 78's

@rauliruegas , This is true but holmz was asking our advise indicating that he is a little uncomfortable making the decision on his own. You are absolutely right about the knife edge bearing. It can rattle because the contact area is much larger thus the pressure on any point of the bearing is lower, it is free to vibrate. The Kuzma 4 Points focus all their vertical mass on two needle points. The contact surface is much smaller than a knife edge thus the pressure at the points is much higher so they do not rattle. They are also locked in place horizontally. Since you told Holmz that his vertical bearing sucks I don't have to be the bad guy this time:-)))

<everyone> I appreciate all the back dialogue on the carts.

 

Since you told Holmz that his vertical bearing sucks I don't have to be the bad guy this time:-)))

What does this knife-edge rattling sound like?
(Having a two arm table would be great to hear the differences back to back.)

 

I don’t care for sibilant sounds…
(nor “graininess”, which seemed like it was around when I was ruining the old class A/B amp, and matching preamp, but has since left with the tube line stage and amp(s) around the y turn of the millennium.)

The current set up wit the SE317 and p77i is not too sibilant… well a few LPs are… but they were much worse in the past. So it very liveable now, and quiet nice overall.

Yes, you are rigth but when you can't mount a second tonearm in the same TT then the arm pod is an alternative...

@rauliruegas 

I'm quite surprise that why in another thread you strongly disagree of using outboard arm pod on VPI non suspended table but you suggested arm pod for a suspended turntable, a SOTA turntable?

 

A friend and myself have been comparing Two Identical Brand Cart's being the Ortofon Kontrapunk B, each of these were believed to have less than 300 Hours of use.

A Third Cart' was also used, which is a rebuilt K'b.

Two Tonearms with detachable Headshells were set up on a Plinth that has a well thought out servicing and mounting for a GL 75 (Saucepan Chassis Modification ) 

The Tonearms in use was a carefully serviced SME 3009 and the Tonearm Model I use today.

The 3009 was not able to produce a sound from the MC that was attractive, both K'bs were used to verify if the condition was repeatable.

When the Pivot Bearing Design Tonearm was used the whole presentation immediately corrected and was a very attractive presentation.

The 3009 owner commenced the process of considering changing their Tonearm and in the end ordered a Tonearm the same as my model.

Today the same person is using a 12" Tonearm as their preferred Model with a different Cart' to the K'b.

I don't know if a Knife Edge Bearing can be detected in use, but the SME 3009 does not work with for the betterment of the K'b Cart' when set up on a Bespoke Built GL 75 TT on a dedicated mounting rack and sub plinth structure.

A K'b Cart', might not function at its best, if other SME Models and other Brands Models with similar designs to the 3009 are used with it, but that is conjecture and not useful the best evaluation and assessment of the impressions made, is produced when the ears are the tool and have encountered the items in use.   

  1. Was the Ortofon Kontrapunk B lack of performance related to compliance (And the arm’s effective mass)?
  2. Or tone arm bearings?
  3. Or something else?