Amir and Blind Testing


Let me start by saying I like watching Amir from ASR, so please let’s not get harsh or the thread will be deleted. Many times, Amir has noted that when we’re inserting a new component in our system, our brains go into (to paraphrase) “analytical mode” and we start hearing imaginary improvements. He has reiterated this many times, saying that when he switched to an expensive cable he heard improvements, but when he switched back to the cheap one, he also heard improvements because the brain switches from “music enjoyment mode” to “analytical mode.” Following this logic, which I agree with, wouldn’t blind testing, or any A/B testing be compromised because our brains are always in analytical mode and therefore feeding us inaccurate data? Seems to me you need to relax for a few hours at least and listen to a variety of music before your brain can accurately assess whether something is an actual improvement.  Perhaps A/B testing is a strawman argument, because the human brain is not a spectrum analyzer.  We are too affected by our biases to come up with any valid data.  Maybe. 

chayro

I just rebuilt recently my loudspeakers Xover with top Cardas Litz wire,WBT connectors, and $1500 in Xover parts , no factory even at $30 k are as good , my point mfg take many shortcuts, Magico A5, Marten ,using mid grade Mundorf Parts when Mundorfs top capacitors are their Supreme line Not Evo , the A5 is the first to use their  Excellent New Ultra  $$ resistors which is a good start But on a $25 k speaker you deserve much more , in our group our Magico friend is upgrading his capacitirs now .  My ears are not just getting used to the new parts 

there is is vast improvement in imaging,soundstaging and detail 

another guy has the exact Dynaudio 3.4LE  speakers 

and now he is saving for the same  mods it was a profound improvement ,

used$3k now better then many in some respects then the majority of $10-12 k speakers . buying a Quality used component gives you great value and ability to truly raise the Audio bar !!

 

Thanks to you djones , i discovered not only these articles in acoustic but an acoustic thread in the ASR site which is more than interesting...

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/refining-a-listener-and-loudspeaker-model-based-on-readings-of-lokki-bech-toole-et-al.27540/

Then yes Amir, is interested by measuring gear, but the site is more than that...

The problem is not Amirm but some audiophiles fanatic disciples indeed here and there...

And yes there is no less acoustic posts in ASR perhaps than in Audiogon and perhaps better one... Then...

Then thanks to your post information....

It seems to me that my own perspective anyway is right about audio: correlation between objective and subjective perspectives... And the gear matter yes, but acoustic/psycho-acoustic matter more...

course, Amir is not an expert in psycho acoustics,

Fortunately there is an expert who graciously contributes his knowledge at ASR

 

https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/jjs-signal-processing-and-psychoacoustics-master-library.2066/

At least presumably the function of good audio components is to reproduce as accurately as possible any given sound, especially music. So measurements are a way of estimating the efficacy of the equipment. The performance of any given unit must relate to these measurements for it to be considered accurate. 
Now if you don’t like that accurate sound and find it disagreeable does that mean that measurements are bad? Of course not. Tube equipment has a very distinctive sound due to distortion. If you like that sound, which plenty of people do, well and fine. The fact that most people like various degrees of distortion doesn’t invalidate Amir and his measurements. Personally I like the components recommended by Amir, Purifi amp and RME DAC, so in my case the measurements were good criteria to follow. Additionally, Amir has effectively debunked the market for extravagantly expensive cables whose manufacturers falsely claim bear measurable improvements yet they are identical to a $5 Amazon cable. But, if one has spent thousands on cables one may well be hostile to Amir and measurements, and insist that one hears auditory phantasms. 

 

 

 

As a side note to my own thread, many people knee-jerk into thinking that Amir thinks high-priced components are BS and cheap Toppings are the shizzle. Not so. He raved about the $4000+ Dan Clark headphones and he uses a $20k Levinson amp with $20k Revel speakers in his own system. He also raves about the $10k Genelec monitors. 

Tube equipment has a very distinctive sound due to distortion.

 

 

Tubes devices are also more linear than solid state devices without the use of feedback, Which also could have something to do with the way they sound.