Audio Research REF 80S Reviews/Comparisons


Would love to hear some opinions regarding the new REF 80S and how it compares to their previous generations of amps.  Here is my ARC amp story.

Classic 120 mono blocks - Played much stronger and more dynamic than their modest 110 wpc rating.  I found them very musical and enjoyed immensely for about 2-3 years.

REF 150 (nonSE) - This was an upgrade in all aspects.  I only sold due to the next entry

GSi75 - This was a diversion I made last year as simplification gained priority in my mind and I loved the aesthetics of this masterpiece being center stage on my shelf.  I still believe it is a phenomenal integrated for someone that has efficient speakers, which I do not(89db).

REF 75SE - This amp is far superior compared to the GSi75.  I find its power more comparable to the REF 150.  I wish I had them to A-B.  I was happy with the REF 150 and I am happy with this.  

I am in no hurry to get a REF 80S...maybe in a few years when it is replaced with an SE model and the price comes down on the S.  
dhite71
dhite71 ... If your >1000 spec relates to the Parasound HCA 2200ii's damping factor, I surmise that the Parasound was a transistor amp, possibly with lots of negative feedback, thereby resulting in a near zero output impedance.

The output impedance of the Ref 75SE and Ref 80S is about 1 ohm in the low frequency space off the 8ohm tap, thereby resulting in a damping factor (DF) of 8 if the corresponding speaker input impedance is 8 ohms in the same low frequency space.  By contrast, the Ref 150 had a DF of 14 off the 8 ohm tap.  

My layperson understanding is that a "high'ish" DF helps to control the woofer and is a factor in yielding tight bass.  I recall reading posts from some of our A'gon tech members that a DF over 20 does not incrementally add all that much by way of woofer control. 

That said, I am sure that DF is not the only spec that drives quality bass.  If Ralph Karsten (Atmasphere) catches this post, maybe he will explain (again) the various tech factors that contribute to quality bass.  Such factor include, for example, in large the quality and input impedance of the speaker itself.  For example, if a speaker has an input impedance of 16 ohms in the low frequency space, the DF would be approximately 12 if, for example, the amp's 16 ohm tap's output impedance is say 1.3 ohms.  

In any case, enjoy your 75SE.  It is a great amp!!      

Well, I am joining this club, meaning I am going from a Ref 150 SE to a Ref 80S. Mine was ordered today and will be here in five days or so and then I will of course need to let it settle in before I can comment. My pre is a Ref 6. I am the original owner of the Ref 6 and Ref 150 SE. My dealer informs me that I should hear a significant improvement. We shall see but the truth is that I don't need the 160 watts @ 8 ohms and 70 is more than sufficient. I have an eight watt SET amp (Ampsandsound Nautilus) that provides all the power I need. So for starters that means four less very expensive KT150's to worry about ($275/each from ARC to meet ARC's stringent testing and performance criteria for these very irregular tubes!). 

Something else that was not mentioned above but that is very important to me-this is the first modern ARC circuit design to fuse the output tubes. In all of my previous ARC amps dating back to a VS110 the output tubes were not only prone to arc-ing/blowing but when they did they would take out a paired resistor meant to protect the remainder of the circuit. You either had to be handy with a soldering iron or be prepared to take it in for service. 

So between the hopefully better sound and all these new features paired with the sexy looks.....I had to go for it. My Ref 150 SE needs some minor service and then it is going up for sale. 

@fsonicsmith

 

Congratulations. I will be interested in hearing your impressions… after the 1,000 hours mark.

I auditioned in home, a brand new ARC REF160s… then bought one… breaking it in… then because of a weak meter, I got another new one… which I broke in. I was really surprised that sound really continued to improve through 1,000 hours… although most was by 600. Then my dealer lent me a borrow a pair of REF 160m mono-blocks for the last couple months. It has been fun. Same power and design.. exactly… but separated in two chassis. I run them in triode mode (70wpc)… the power difference makes a tiny difference. But the sound is a bit more natural in triode mode. After lots of time. The soundstage is wider and deeper with the mono blocks. My conclusion is that if I had a choice of what to buy right now… I would pay the extra $12K for the mono blocks… but would not now pay to upgrade (perhaps because of the house remodel last year). I will wait for maybe the Ref 160SE (mono blocks)… or the next higher redesign… ? Ref320?.

@fsonicsmith

Congratulations! I have no doubt that the Audio Research REF 80S is going to please you greatly and provide splendid music listening joy for many years. Glad to know that ARC has replaced the protective resistors with fuses in their current generation amplifiers. Smart move and long overdue in my opinion. +1 for the auto bias implementation as well.

Charles