I want to move from Rega Planar 6 help me to pick a new turntable


Hi Folks,

About couple of years ago I got Rega Planar 6. Now since I got more experience with turntables and know what I want from it I am looking for a new one. 

There is nothing wrong with Rega Planar 6. In fact I enjoy it and if asked I would recommend it to other people. As long as they don't care about VTA and Azimuth. And this is the main reason I want a different table. I somewhat agree that VTA is not a huge deal and on Rega you can get a spacers, not too convenient, but not too bad either. But Azimuth for me is crucial. My experience with lots of different cartridges - most of them don't have stylus perfectly perpendicular to the surface.

I don't necessarily looking to upgrade to something much better. I want a turntable that has adjustable Azimuth. I may consider an upgrade but want to stay below 3k.

Also I don't want anything with suspension, my floors are too resonant and believe me my kids could jump upstairs so hard I sometimes have recessed ceiling lights falling off :) And for some reason I don't care about ProJect.

There is also a limiting factor of availability. Because of COVID production stopped and wait times are months in some cases.

So far I have identified the following options (based on my preferences and availability).

Technics SL-1200GR - $1.7k
VPI Prime Scout - $1.9k
EAT B-Sharp - $2k
VPI - Scout 21  - $2.8k
Music Hall - MMF-9.3 Turntable - $2.7k
EAT C-Major - $3k 

The only table outside of my price range that I might consider is Technics SL-1200G for which I've heard extremely good reviews.

The rest of the system
Cartridge - temporarily DL-103. (before I had Ortofon Quintet Black S and Audio-Technica ART9XA)
Phono stage - Parasound zphono xrm
Amp - PrimaLuna ProLogue Premium
Speakers - Martin Logan Motion 60XTi 


Thanks,
Alex 

adrobitko

Here is an update. I found a local dealer who stocked Technics SL-1200GR, I went there and got it to test drive at home. I was upfront, that I am looking for an upgrade from Planar 6 and may return Technics if I won't like it. They were ok with that.

So I brought it home. Here is just first impressions.

Set up. Much easier than anything I tried before. Literally it took me 5 mins on Technics to do what it took me at lest 15 on Rega on other tables I had before. Head shell helps a lot.

I put the same Dl-103 I had on Rega and I have not bothered to set up VTA or Azimuth. Literally put cartridge, adjusted overhang, verified that it lined up with protractor (by naked eyes no tools used) and that was it.

Then I went to listen few records. The setup was absolutely the same as with Rega.

I was a little bit unprepared to what I heard. I was expecting to carefully listening to all the details and look for some barely noticeable changes in sound. I was wrong. Big time.

Immediately I heard, much better low end. With Rega it was good, I could hear bass guitar, kick drum, etc. With Technics I hear them being played. Not just that there is bass guitar, but that it is being played, with all nuances. Attack, Release, transients. It was very apparent. 

Then I noticed more details. Especially on my beloved Dire Straits first album. As you may have heard Mark Knopfler plays with fingers instead of pick. And on Technics it was very clear. I am a guitar player myself and I know what to look for and indeed all that little dynamic nuances only possible when played with fingers were there.

I will continue to listen, but to be honest I am shocked. I was not expecting it to be that different.

I then ask my wife to listen to that table. She is no audiophile and to some extent a bit skeptical. But she immediately told me that it sounds better.

 

I don’t think a single one of your choices is better than what you have. Just because you can’t adjust azimuth and as far as VTA goes, between the adjustment of arm height and downforce, realistically cover enough range in that respect. By adding one thing(azimuth), you lose another (stiffness) in the process. And before someone chimes in that I’m wrong about this; yes I know about using microscopes to measure the exact cartridge cantilever rake and hyper extensive tools (borderline ridiculous) for exacting measurements that in the end may still not get you all the way there for reasons too numerous to get into here. From what I’m guessing from your table choices, you are not one of these Type One audio fanatics and there is nothing wrong with that (I’m borderline) who will spend endless hours wondering if this is as good as it can get, may I suggest an alternative route. How about finding some really good audio dealers that you can reasonably travel to who are passionate, and really understand what they sell and work with you to make you happy. I know that this is not always easy for some places but if you can, it might be a better alternative than buying blind on the opinion of others. Not to mention the ability to have a pro helping you out with support and not having to ship it somewhere hoping it gets returned, repaired, adjusted as you hoped. I myself try to do this in most of my purchases but I live in Chicago, a large metropolitan area. Kinda like the two people that I trust for my scotch choices (they are on the same page as me). It narrows down confusion because in the end there are simply too many choices and unless you like that becomes more of a hindrance.

I assume your Rega is on a wall shelf? I had a P8 and P10 on a stand  and if I coughed hard enough the record would skip. 

Project and EAT are partners in that the owners are married.  If anything Jozefina makes her husbands turntables be a bit better.  Really, maybe the gap is closing, but not long ago there was no comparison, with EAT feing the FAR superior line.

I will also disagree about Mr Hall.  I too dealt with him regarding some EPOS Elans 6 or 7 or so years ago.  He made sure I got the matching stands quickly even when the retailer was out and had no clue as to when they'd be available.