Amir and Blind Testing


Let me start by saying I like watching Amir from ASR, so please let’s not get harsh or the thread will be deleted. Many times, Amir has noted that when we’re inserting a new component in our system, our brains go into (to paraphrase) “analytical mode” and we start hearing imaginary improvements. He has reiterated this many times, saying that when he switched to an expensive cable he heard improvements, but when he switched back to the cheap one, he also heard improvements because the brain switches from “music enjoyment mode” to “analytical mode.” Following this logic, which I agree with, wouldn’t blind testing, or any A/B testing be compromised because our brains are always in analytical mode and therefore feeding us inaccurate data? Seems to me you need to relax for a few hours at least and listen to a variety of music before your brain can accurately assess whether something is an actual improvement.  Perhaps A/B testing is a strawman argument, because the human brain is not a spectrum analyzer.  We are too affected by our biases to come up with any valid data.  Maybe. 

chayro

Like Reality itself, sound/music cannot be completely explained at the end, but it can be ,if not even fully describeable, at least be experienced...

 

«We cannot explain exhaustively a lion but we can feel it better inside his mouth »-Groucho Marx in Africa 🤓

«Lion morphology speak»-Wolfgang Schad 

«Room psycho-acoustical geography speak the same tongue as you»- Anonymus acoustician

«Is it not an echo instead of another voice?»-Groucho Marx 🤓

The goal in audio is the creation/translation of this music/sound from one acoustical context, which is the RELATIVE perspective of the recording process on a lived event, to be translated in the psycho-acoustic geography of your room which is also a relative acoustic and esthetic perspective from and on the recording event ....

Japanese people invent a word for this, it is a central concept of their esthetic: YUGEN...

We can make a garden with stones and sand like japan master did with chosen proportion and measures ( exact one) which will CORRELATE with the original perception of the garden creator for exemple but will never be reducible to a set of measures and words by definition...

Focusing on gear or on tool, is fetichism at worst , at best a necessary preliminary to the central and essential esthetic and scientific acoustic/psycho-acoustic experience...

Music/sound relation  is yugen.....

A Zen garden with circles traced in crushed white gravel, a stone lantern, some plants and black rocks and stepping stones.

mahgister

If they listen they deceive themselves!

For sure.... 😁😊😊😊😊😊😊😋😎😊😊😊😊

The question is : they listen with a white suit and a measuring tool in their hand or they listen "nude and not afraid" ?

Ha, ha! But if only it were that simple with ASR. The fact is that he sometimes doesn't listen at all. So what's the point?

 

Ha, ha! But if only it were that simple with ASR. The fact is that he sometimes doesn’t listen at all. So what’s the point?

Many audiophiles listen to their gear ... 😁😊

They can listen for example a 100,000 dollars dac....

Some others measures the specs sheet anew to verify... So what?

Are they listening really?

I myself listen myself, listening the universe in my head/room...And i control the conditions of the acoustic experience but not the experience....

 

 

«Sound is a powerful river harnessed by a dam (musical instrument and/or room) which give rise to a huge energy level called emotion »-Anonymus estheticican

«Remember that if sound could be music, music is not sound»-Anonymus deaf musician, probably Beethoven.... 😊