Amir and Blind Testing


Let me start by saying I like watching Amir from ASR, so please let’s not get harsh or the thread will be deleted. Many times, Amir has noted that when we’re inserting a new component in our system, our brains go into (to paraphrase) “analytical mode” and we start hearing imaginary improvements. He has reiterated this many times, saying that when he switched to an expensive cable he heard improvements, but when he switched back to the cheap one, he also heard improvements because the brain switches from “music enjoyment mode” to “analytical mode.” Following this logic, which I agree with, wouldn’t blind testing, or any A/B testing be compromised because our brains are always in analytical mode and therefore feeding us inaccurate data? Seems to me you need to relax for a few hours at least and listen to a variety of music before your brain can accurately assess whether something is an actual improvement.  Perhaps A/B testing is a strawman argument, because the human brain is not a spectrum analyzer.  We are too affected by our biases to come up with any valid data.  Maybe. 

chayro

The goal in audio is the creation/translation of this music/sound from one acoustical context, which is the RELATIVE perspective of the recording process on a lived event, to be translated in the psycho-acoustic geography of your room which is also a relative acoustic and esthetic perspective from and on the recording event ....

Japanese people invent a word for this, it is a central concept of their esthetic: YUGEN...

We can make a garden with stones and sand like japan master did with chosen proportion and measures ( exact one) which will CORRELATE with the original perception of the garden creator for exemple but will never be reducible to a set of measures and words by definition...

Focusing on gear or on tool, is fetichism at worst , at best a necessary preliminary to the central and essential esthetic and scientific acoustic/psycho-acoustic experience...

Music/sound relation  is yugen.....

A Zen garden with circles traced in crushed white gravel, a stone lantern, some plants and black rocks and stepping stones.

mahgister

If they listen they deceive themselves!

For sure.... 😁😊😊😊😊😊😊😋😎😊😊😊😊

The question is : they listen with a white suit and a measuring tool in their hand or they listen "nude and not afraid" ?

Ha, ha! But if only it were that simple with ASR. The fact is that he sometimes doesn't listen at all. So what's the point?

 

Ha, ha! But if only it were that simple with ASR. The fact is that he sometimes doesn’t listen at all. So what’s the point?

Many audiophiles listen to their gear ... 😁😊

They can listen for example a 100,000 dollars dac....

Some others measures the specs sheet anew to verify... So what?

Are they listening really?

I myself listen myself, listening the universe in my head/room...And i control the conditions of the acoustic experience but not the experience....

 

 

«Sound is a powerful river harnessed by a dam (musical instrument and/or room) which give rise to a huge energy level called emotion »-Anonymus estheticican

«Remember that if sound could be music, music is not sound»-Anonymus deaf musician, probably Beethoven.... 😊

 

 

I use to like Amir’s channel but not as much nowadays now that I’ve spent more time actually listening to gear he’s criticized just because of some data. He recently tested a piece of gear I’ve really enjoyed listening to for years and still do and his review made it out to be terrible. That was when I realized there was something wrong with his reviews. Amir is just a data guy and that’s about it. He’s obviously not a good listener and I wouldn’t trust his listening opinion on gear. He doesn’t present things logically and takes data too literally. There are things that can still sound good even if they don’t measure well. I’m actually surprised he hasn’t had a lawsuit pinned against his practices or at least as far as I know.

My guess is, right at this moment, there is a group of people, mostly young people, who are just getting into the hobby. They have to base their purchase decision on something, anything, and since 1) they have no clue what sounds good or not so good (remember, they are just getting started with the hobby), and 2) visiting a local dealer is so 20th century, even where they still exist, they turn to the internet. And in the absence of actual listening, and most importantly, lack of good vs. bad sound perception / experience, they turn to…. you guessed it: numbers. Stuff you can read and see (I.e graphs) in the internet. They are just being rational, nothing to blame them for. That’s where Amir M. comes in play, along with his militia disciples. It helps that what he preaches is cheap, typically China cheap. Everyone wants to save a dime here and there, yours truly included. I am not blaming anyone for trying to save money.

 

Thus popularity of ASR, and even other (caricature of) sites like Gene’s site. Amir M., like it or not, is winning this “war”. A very sound and effective marketing strategy for the cheap China toys he peddles. It is most definitely working.