The Law of Accelerating Returns

It is not false for sure, but this hide the essential...

The greatest bottleneck is our own room acoustic and more than that our own untrained hearing with acoustical experiments... The main bottleneck is our brain...

An acoustic concept is not an abstraction, it is a reality that must be concretely listened to...

A system or several pieces of gear exist in a room for the ears, and the bottleneck of the system must be manifested IN  the room where it is well or not well embedded to the ears and for the ears ... To understand the true specific nature of this gear bottleneck we must understand acoustic first... If not, we are embarked in a carousel of upgrades most of the time meaningless.because we are unable to listen to this gear at this optimal working peak anyway... It take a room adapted to the gear and under control for that....

Every system has a bottleneck, ie the thing that limits performance. It’s just a question of how much it matters.

It’s true that if the system is in good shape ie no serious bottleneck then one is free to deal with the room. You can hire experts for that as well or most people can just have at it themselves with some good references for guidance. It’s another advantage of an integrated solution. One can then focus on speakers and acoustics better and acoustics always vary by room.

It’s true that if the system is in good shape ie no serious bottleneck then one is free to deal with the room.

Not exactly mapman, no...An integrated solution will have his own bottleneck...No system is perfect but all system at any price can be lifted out of their bottleneck to a new bottleneck yes... But for example my actual system room is out of my past bottleneck, in a new unperceived bottleneck...I live very well with it why?

Because when we reach a certain sound quality level, we know what will be the cost of a real beneficial upgrade, only at this time we can know it... mine will be from my 500 bucks system going to a minimal 10,000 to 15000 bucks system... why i dont want to do it? not only because i dont have the money but i dont need it really... Pianio sound fill already my room, my system/speakers beat already my 8 headphones... there is always better but i am very pleased... My soundscape is the best i ever listen to anyway...

How can you became conscious of a bottlemeck inherent to the system in all case, especially with a  already good system like the one i own ?

I was never conscious that i listenedc in his botlleneck in the past  BEFORE i take control of the room ... why?

Because any system has his own limitations and bottleneck, then how can you know them and detect all of them in a nude room without acoustic control of any kind ?

i bought my system , i was happy, but not COMPLETELY  satisfied without knowing why...I cannot put my finger on anything...I though that all was right and at the same time all seems very  limited: timbre,imaging, soundstage etc 

Some bottleneck was there but not manifested openly, i was sensing that something may be lacking without the faintest idea what it is and how to adress it...

This become gradually clear when i PASS OVER THIS bottleneck with an improving acoustic, which means i become conscious of  where i come from and where i was going...

@mahgister gotta disagree. The technology can easily be the bottleneck once the acoustics are addressed properly. An integrated amp however means less technology integration to get right. The experts have addressed that for you and the product solution is solved for you regardless of room. Now you can deal with the thing unique in each case which is the acoustics of the room and integrating just the speakers to amp and room. Much easier to get right technically. All electronics are different still however so even an integrated amp may still be the bottleneck in the end. At that point if it matters you want a better integrated amp. It all matters. Just a matter of how practically one goes about getting all the parts of the system right. The complete system includes the room and ones ears which are always different in each case. Cheer!

@mahgister gotta disagree. The technology can easily be the bottleneck once the acoustics are addressed properly.

I never say that the technology has no bottleneck ... I say the opposite... read my post another time ...

An integrated amp however means less technology integration to get right. The experts have addressed that for you and the product solution is solved for you regardless of room.

You are right this time too... But you miss the essential  point... Any technological upgrade fpor the better will suffer the lack of acoustic control and will work UNDER his peak potential level unbeknowst to you especially if you come from a lower design to a better one, you will appreciate the improvement but you will never know that this same system is able to deliver way more in a controlled acoustic environment... This is my point...

I done negate that any technology can be replaced by a better one... I negate that a system/speakers will replace by itself room acoustic... In the future with an A. I. expert system integrated to the room yes ....

My point is simple, we cannot judge all problems amd limits pertainig to a system/speakers without a room adapted to it... Simple... This does not means that you are wrong... This means you miss the important point to judge any system limits : acoustic... Not upgrades...