Amir and Blind Testing

The reason why A.I.will stay a mere "tool" forever, save on the planet where people could be so stupid to renounce their creative freedom for a master , and for sure this possibility exist, the reason then is : MEANING...

Meaning exist when the part is intricate in the whole and the whole completely intricate in the part, It is possible for the human mind to DISTINGUISH between the whole and the parts, but the human mind never SEPARATE them completely.... He can forget one for the other for sure...One part of the brain can work OVER the other... 😁😊 But forgetfulness is not complete separation...

A.I. is powerful because it can work in a CONTROLLED environment where it can mathematically distinguish parts and wholes BY SEPARATING THEM mathematically ...The map become the territory here and the territory can be transformed in a perfect map... Why not, it is only mathematical play ?

A.I. is and will be a tool, but an unhabited machine haunted by a ghost or a soul for sure, and anyway the sorcer apprentices will call them mere ghosts... Concrete details we dont need on the map, or a map so real it lack only some abstract useless details...Like love, freedon, souls, beauty, non logical truth, etc...

Yuval Noah Harari, a transhumanist historian said that human have no souls nor freedom and can be hacked by A.I. and will be...

Then we can be intelligent like he is and blind to meaning and reduce meaning to INFORMATION....I prefer to stay "stupid" than this kind of "intelligence"...

The whole and parts mutual participation are manifested "meaning" for the human mind able to "fly over " the world hyper space and perceive instantaneously qualitative experiences where the distinctions can exist but WITHOUT ANY COMPLETE SEPARATION EVER... Exist only for us humans a temporary forgetfulness of the relation between the encompassing whole and parts, this forgetfulness , the Buddha and the Christ called it back to his roots anyway...

The body is the soul, but the soul is not reducible to the body....The sound is the music but music is not reducible to sound...We can distinguish the two but cannot separate them...

An information engine can work only by SEPARATING body and soul, one is real for a machine the other is only an animated ghost it put in a corner...It is a MATHEMATICAL EXORCISM ....Very precise one and it work completely and successfully...

Technology is powerful but only small mind confuse science with technology...

The center of mathematic is divine, the peripheral is human work....

«Distinguish without separate » Anonymus Smith

«Distinguishing without separating i will name it the poetical mode of language and thinking, the contemplative one, the creative one, the other, distinguishing for separate is the mechanical and prosaic daily mode»-anonymus thinker

«We need the two ends of a stick and the stick itself, is it not three ?»-Groucho Marx

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«You are a successful sophist brother»-Harpo Marx

What a load of nonsense. Amir has no agenda. There are a wide variety of people who participate on the ASR forum from subjective tube amp users to nothing but the highest measurement users. I take that back there is an agenda exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose . Get over yourselves and yeah, hopefully younger people getting into this hobby will have a bit of common sense and see BS $20K DACs and $10K cables for what they are jewelry.

i already said that multiple times....

These are my own words:

Then yes Amir, is interested by measuring gear, but the site is more than that...

The problem is not Amirm but some audiophiles fanatic disciples indeed here and there...

The first chief hobbyist is OK, nothing bad to say, but the bunch of disciples create a void around their guru ...

This is YOUR words:

What a load of nonsense. Amir has no agenda.

If you read my posts you will understand that borrowing INCONSCIOUSLY about an ideological position is NOT HAVING necessarily AN AGENDA... I just call Amir a measuring tool hobbyist chief, he is a digital engineer after all who worked at an important position at Google i think, entertaining what he like most for the PLEASURE of doing what he know already and giving his advices...This is OK...And useful...But Amir is not Google and corporation had agendas, in the case of Google, transhumanist agenda...Promoting google agenda is being a sleepwalker...

Some of his sleepwalking disciples like you are less innocent...They created a fanatical movement around him, instead of thinking by themselves...this is a sad agenda...

Your sleepwalking " agenda" here in this thread seems to be distorting post and presenting NO ARGUMENT to mine , my 2 posts here are supposed to be just "nonsense"...prove it answer them...I made many points in these 2 posts...For example a point about the meaning of acoustic/psycho-acoustic science in audio being more important than simple direct electronical measures of the gear In itself...

Is it not a strawman argument of the worst kind by you which illustrate my point about the sleepwalking disciples: ?

Conclude yourself...or do you need help ?

What a load of nonsense. Amir has no agenda. There are a wide variety of people who participate on the ASR forum from subjective tube amp users to nothing but the highest measurement users. I take that back there is an agenda exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose . Get over yourselves and yeah, hopefully younger people getting into this hobby will have a bit of common sense and see BS $20K DACs and $10K cables for what they are jewelry.

So true.  The amount of nonsense, strawmen and misunderstanding spewed about ASR could fill libraries at this point.

Some posts here amount to "why can't we just go on letting young audiophiles be duped by manufacturer and dubious audiophile claims like the rest of us?"

Some of the claims in high end audio are a balloon, ASR is the pin, and some people see their own beliefs being burst and don't like that feeling.

Why are you beeing so UNILATERAL?

For you it is " subjective gear fetichists audiophiles" against "objective tool measuring fetichists pseudo scientist" ?

For me it is more SERIOUSLY acoustic/psycho-acoustic method who always correlated measures of ALL KIND, to subjective impressions...These 2 groups war is RIDICULOUS.... But at least one use his ears even if they succomb sometimes alas! to gear marketing ploy...

The danger posed to beginners here by ignorant technocrats advocating their tools of choices is not less disastrous than the danger posed by those who has been conditioned by marketting tasting gear audiophiles...

Between these two sleepwalkers warring groups, only acoustic and psycho-acoustic research is serious science ABOUT SOUND perception and the value of perception over electrical chosen sheets numbers only...Standard electronic design verification is good, but sound experience does not emerge only from a good chip...

Sound is not the result of an electronic design first and last, but of acoustic and psycho-acoustic experience first and last ..The gear convey information not sound experience...

Spewing numbers without correlation to listenings experiments is meaningless...

I dont attack Amir verification of products, i attack some of his sleepwalking zealots who haunted audiophile threads mocking anyone using his ears.... At least subjective audiophiles, even if they dont use acoustic and psycho acoustic experiments dont throw their EARS in a garbage bin...

The main science in music and sound is acoustic and psycho-acoustic... Digital engineering profitted and emerged from acoustic and psycho-acoustic research and cannot replace them by bits and numbers on a dial....Listening experiments protocols, not necessarily and ONLY blind one are the key...I dont need blind test in my room tuning because it is NOT PRACTICAL nor useful...

Some posts here amount to "why can’t we just go on letting young audiophiles be duped by manufacturer and dubious audiophile claims like the rest of us?"

Some of the claims in high end audio are a balloon, ASR is the pin, and some people see their own beliefs being burst and don’t like that feeling.