Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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^---- This.  "FWIW I don’t need to agree with someone to respect them. If you teach me something you have helped me. That is a friendly move. But when you slander me and call me a liar, when you have no proof  is far from being helpful to anyone. And is against forum rules."

Gotta love it when people put words in your mouth and go on to elaborate on a lie. Something tells me they've faced complaints of them in other venues (and in real life) and they've gotten good at not dealing directly but going off on tangents with their filibusters. They used to call it blinding one with BS.

All the best,
Nonoise

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 

The Mustang might be faster than the Porsche. The way to find out is put them on the track and measure their times, but you know that goes against the orthodoxy, "It looks like it should go faster."

They way to find out is not by looking or listening to

 bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

but by measuring and testing them. 

What's tolerated here is obvious ignorance about science and common sense. No on is "trolling you" sweetheart just trying to add a touch of reality in a world subjected to believing everything one is told. 

This has nothing to do with free speech, feel free to flag the post. 

@mahgister 

I totally get what you mean, you can stand up for yourself.  But when someone comes in swearing and being totally disrespectful, this creates a negative atmosphere, and when let to fester gets out of control.  It's best to deal with it right away.

An anecdote:

I had only two real "heavy" discussions here for the last 7 years...

One i will pass over...No relation to audio matters...

But the second one was also with someone i disagree with and it was about audio matter... . Our discussion last 2 months daily here...

The man was a very knowledgeable man in audio, way more than most here, me included ( I know this for a fact trust me)...

But no one is perfect...

I realized discussing "heavily" with him that he was not right about something important in audio : the timbre perception...

To make a story short i am indebdted to him so much , i wrote to him to thank him at the end in spite of the "heavy" sometimes hard discussion, because without him i would had never made my most important personal discovery in acoustic/psycho-acoustic...

Then you will understand why i try to appreciate all people, even if i heavily disagree with some, and why discussion based on arguments are so important...

My search to answer him because his knowledge was more than mine in all audio aspects , teach me a lot... At the end i made my most important discovery and i am greatly thankful to him... And he was perceived as a "troll" and act sometimes like one and he provoked some reaction in me not always positive because i am not perfect either...

Imagine now that this dude has been banned from here or cancelled because some described him as a troll?

i will have never made my search in acoustic to answer him and i will had never made my discovery...

Than my most precious moment here were with someone i disagree completely about something...I thank him till today...

Our best adviser are sometimes some we call our foes...

I dont want censorship of any kind... Save restricting the amount of insults someone can give to another one for sure...Politeness and arguments only....