Amir and Blind Testing


Let me start by saying I like watching Amir from ASR, so please let’s not get harsh or the thread will be deleted. Many times, Amir has noted that when we’re inserting a new component in our system, our brains go into (to paraphrase) “analytical mode” and we start hearing imaginary improvements. He has reiterated this many times, saying that when he switched to an expensive cable he heard improvements, but when he switched back to the cheap one, he also heard improvements because the brain switches from “music enjoyment mode” to “analytical mode.” Following this logic, which I agree with, wouldn’t blind testing, or any A/B testing be compromised because our brains are always in analytical mode and therefore feeding us inaccurate data? Seems to me you need to relax for a few hours at least and listen to a variety of music before your brain can accurately assess whether something is an actual improvement.  Perhaps A/B testing is a strawman argument, because the human brain is not a spectrum analyzer.  We are too affected by our biases to come up with any valid data.  Maybe. 

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Mahgister, you appear unable to both form a coherent paragraph, nor stay on topic. Throwing out names like Helmholtz nor TYPING IN CAPS does not make your point any more succinct or accurate nor confer any expertise on you.

By the way i never insulted you, i even welcome you, remember?

 

 

Then instead of insults try to discuss..

I never pretend to any SCIENCE... I pretend to have experimented in my room and to my surprize discovered many acoustic basic facts that change my listening experience...

Then i spoke about what i know: SOME acoustic and psycho acoustic basic fact help more than upgrading our piece of gear generally ... Especially costly one for MOST people and especially if what we already own is relatively good to begin with... I dont speak about people or for people who can afford anything at any cost here...

Second: speakers cannot sound the same in different SMALL room...

Third: it is easy to deduce from that that reviewing piece of gear by only measuring some electrical characteristic is not enough..

No need of a doctorate in digital engineering for that..

i hope all is clearer ...

 

 

By the way i dont throw the name of Helmholtz to be smart , i used some different devices with his name on them...

I used capital letters to insist on a word... This is not like your sentence about me which is an insult, but just a way to be best understood...

And also i said already many times here i dont doubt that Amir of ASR is honest... Some of his disciples less honest...They develop the idea that we can assess quality of a product without listening in the proper acoustic condition, and they use some electrical measures to mock anybody who like a product after listening to it only...These few disciples called anyone who listen without knowing the numbers meanings a "deluded audiophile" is this ring a bell ? 😁😊

My opinion is less simplistic  than the opinion of most audiophile or the opinion of  some ASR disciples : we must takes any measures seriously yes for sure, but we must listen ALSO the product in a very well controlled acoustic room.. This is the way to speak about ANY audio product for me..

Is it clear enough?

By the way english is not my first language, i only read english dont speak it well..

But i think that my 2 last post are COHERENT...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welcoming me does not change the fact you made a false statement, that I did not take out of context.  That would near impossible given what you said, and you both will not admit to the actual words you wrote nor their meaning. I don’t perceive any ability to have a coherent honest conversation with you.

Anybody can be proven to make a false statement with any extract of words...

With this avatar name you dont seem to be of good faith if i think about it after your insult.....

Only an idiot can say that there is no acoustic expertise here in all the audiogon forum or on ASR... I am not an idiot ...This was not my point....This is explained in my last 2 posts...

You take advantage of some bad sentence out of the context of all my posts here to pick fleas in my neck...

Be it...

I never insulted you and this is a FACT ....

No distortion of my posts context will change this simple fact: to assess a product we need to listen to it in well determined acoustic condition... this is in all my posts here...You can distort this simple fact and claim that i said that there is no acoustic specialist on ASR if you want and  put that in my mouth... This is stupid claim i never did...There is acoustician here and in any other big audio sites...

This does not change the fact that most people in audio UNDERESTIMATE acoustic power concerning S.Q. improvement versus a new electronic design upgrade... This is my point...

Measuring the gear is not enough to judge 2 designs one against the other...Acoustic here is key...

it is clear even with my bad english syntax..

 

Welcoming me does not change the fact you made a false statement, that I did not take out of context. That would near impossible given what you said, and you both will not admit to the actual words you wrote nor their meaning. I don’t perceive any ability to have a coherent honest conversation with you.

 

 

 

My quote did not remove any relevant context.

 

I lived though the same ordeal rankaudio... 😁😊

They are many pompuous very clever but closed minds ignoring anything resembling a listening experiments but Amir was polite...There are good people also there listen me right but they are dominated by a minority of bullys protecting the master...They are easy to recognized, some come here ridiculizing anyone who listen with his ears... Their common point is a total ignborance of acoustic condition because they need electrical tools they dont need to tune a room... All rooms are equal for their activities....

I am a naive person generally and i trust people to a point...

I quited this reunion of disciples also...After they laugh a lot about my "quartz/shungite experiments... 😁😊

Sheeps crowd are not for me...

Here sheeps exist too but most people LISTEN...With ears...

Do you learned how to read? i think so if i read your posts...

Perhaps my english is not exemplary i dont doubt that...But your interpretation is not my words...

it is evident here that i spoke about SOME people on ASR not about ALL people there..

i even precisely mention a "few bullys"...

I must conclude after your insult that you have a grudge about me here because you seem too much intelligent to be unable to read the context..Who are you then? you are new here, and i welcome you, and you picked one of my post, misread it in an evident way and you go on after me... Comical...

 

For example in my post  , "their common point"; "their" refer to whom here?

it refer to the "few bullys"...not to the ASR site in his totality...

Anybody read that clearly in my post and not your distorted interpretation...

I know you are clever, then what i must conclude?

I even said many times here and in this post that Amirm was polite and honest then what?

There is only 2 possibilities you have a grudge against me but i dont know you then i must conclude to your bad faith...

Sorry but i refuse to think that you cannot know how to read a text like an idiot..You are not an idiot, you are evidently very intelligent... Then you quoted me in bad faith...For whatever reason i dont know...

Are you one of the few bullys on ASR?

your choice of name for your avatar goes in this interpretative direction...

It is the first time someone insult me here AFTER i welcome him on another thread where he was attacked...Comical...

 

 

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They are many pompuous very clever but closed minds ignoring anything resembling a listening experiments but Amir was polite...There are good people also there listen me right but they are dominated by a minority of bullys protecting the master...They are easy to recognized, some come here ridiculizing anyone who listen with his ears... Their common point is a total ignborance of acoustic condition because they need electrical tools they dont need to tune a room... All rooms are equal for their activities...»