Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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After being off the forum for a number of days recovering from Covid, it’s pretty shocking to see what’s become of the thread/site. Someone made a Nazi comment about me. The thread has once again become a political landmine, missing my original point. I realize now I should have used the word “debunkers” in the title. That’s what I was objecting to, the wholesale dismissal of basic principles, some even measurable products (Icononoclast cables come with each measured). It seems many, even some touting their level of education, failed to grasp the context of my issue. I come to audio sites for value added discussions, to increase my knowledge base, share my decades of experience and get new ideas about how to make my system better.

I assume most others do as well. If people feel debunkers add to their knowledge base, so be it. They don’t add to mine, like the many nonsense threads of banned posters we had to endure in past years. But in the same way people get the leadership they deserve, I suppose people get the audio forums they deserve.

 

 

 

 

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Comment self deleted before anyone runs whining and crying to the mods.

This one, however, stays:

Obviously the only "truth" is your "truth".

@emailists 

But in the same way people get the leadership they deserve, I suppose people get the audio forums they deserve.

 

Didn't want to disagree once more but aren't you making a mistake here in assuming how democracy actually works (compared to how it should perhaps)?

In the US you have a choice between Democrats and Republicans, in the UK you can have either Labour or Conservative, and in Russia you can choose Putin etc.

Some might argue it hardly matter who you choose, it's those with the financial clout that will remain in ultimate control.

 

At least here in Audiogon forum I'd like to think we have a little more choice in all of the ongoing debates.

I don't have a particularly good memory and as a consequence am unable to hold any lasting grudges against my fellow forum posters with whom I might not always see eye to eye.

Take for example @mahgister - whilst I find his posts interesting I don't always agree with them. I would expect that half the time we're seeing things the same way (namely I suspect because I don't have, or even want, his background in philosophy) and the other half perhaps quite differently.

Nevertheless it's a privilege to have access to differing opinions, and it's one that should be encouraged and not censored.

As an adult, when it comes to reading anything, I prefer to be my own censor.

I have a good memory... 😁😊

But i dont have grudges against anyone, even the guy who accuse me of kiiling people with mes posts years ago...😁

Life is too short...

But i love discussion and i could be passionnate... The things that annoy me the most is fanaticism in political matters ...

The world is too complex to be reduced to conditioned Pavlovian left/rigth reactions, especially after this pandemy and this war....

Thinking is mandatory....And the planet is not North America....

And if without historical knowledge people are condemned to repeat past errors,without philosophical maturity they cannot decide where they must go and how to go there, then they resort to ideological means and empty gurus....

 

 

 

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I don’t have a particularly good memory and as a consequence am unable to hold any lasting grudges against my fellow forum posters with whom I might not always see eye to eye.