How can I establish a reference level?


With now 350+ hours on my new rear end (I hope it is OK to call the new speakers that, given the common use of the expression front end for the source) I am trying to understand gain and how it relates to listening level. The terms reference level, anchor level, gain structure, dB, dBU, crest factor, etc. all form an ill defined blur. My interest is in protecting one of my five senses. No amount of money and equipment swapping will ever reclaim lost hearing! Now with oodles of distortion free headroom I need to be careful.

Specifically -
JBL 4367 - 94 dB, 300W
Benchmark AHB2 in bridged mono 380W
SONY XA5400ES Compact Disc Player

What I find is -24 dB set on the preamp (with 0 dB being no voltage gain or cut with respect to the source signal) is too loud on most recordings - especially Pop and Jazz. On the 1964 SONY Classical recording of Petrushka, Ormandy (SBK 47664) a gain of -24 dB is pretty realistic as it is on many other classical recordings.
Some recordings sound loud no matter what the volume. Take Jimmy Smith with Kenny Burrell (Phono 870267) for example (listening to him now @ -34 dB)
Much of my listening is far-field, though the speakers are only about 6' apart in an open floor plan of about 1200 sq. feet.

The inverse square law relating to how loudness decreases with distance from the source - how is it affected by a stereo pair? Get on axis near-field with the speakers and just try and keep your mouth shut. Awesome!

So I have a new definition of LOUD and I want to be careful and have some consistency.
I feel -24 dB is a good reference level and am wondering how that relates live sound and the recording process.




mikewerner

UPDATE:

After pushing the 4367s around for awhile with the powerful SS amps (AHB2's in MONO configuration) i decided to try some lower power tube amps.

First in was a pair of CAD-300SE. They are 300B SET with 11W output. I found that I must be much closer to the speakers and keep the volume way down. First impression was they do a lot of what the AHB2's do but quieter. Then I thought "I guess I don't care what those singers are saying - it sounds so beautiful." Then a mechanical transformer hum became annoying, especially since the volume is down and I had to sit so close. Also, the tube amps are much more finicky WRT line voltage. A Variac was pressed into service for regulation. These amps need 117V not the 121V which is more usual here.

Next I put in the ARC Ref 75SE. That was a bust. V3 flamed with a runaway bias. I called ARC service and they are so backlogged that can't take the unit for 5 months. I am on a waiting list for the repair. Go figure. At least it didn't fry a speaker.

Next was a single AHB2 and it just has a little less jump than the pair of AHB2's.

Next is 25W of glory in the form of a Luxman MQ-88uC.   I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it! It too needs the voltage down to 115V. Push Pull KT-88 in triode. Beautiful and relaxing sound on the JBL4367 with NO Fatigue! And just enough power to turn it up a bit.

On the way is a Pass Labs XA-25. I can't wait to hear how it plays with the big speakers.

As for reference level, Volumes equivalent to realistic levels are just to tiring though possible with these speakers and the AHB2's

So there you have it. I hope this is entertaining to some readers. It certainly is to me.

@mikewerner 

Very interesting. i found that when I optimized my playback chain with low noise, low distortion gear (Benchmark DAC3 B + HPA4 + AHB2), I'm able to listen without fatigue at higher volume levels and for as long as I want.

 

I've owned gear in the past that output higher distortion and they always sounded good at certain volume levels or with certain genres but the Benchmark system lets me enjoy everything I want to listen to without problem.

 

In any case, if you're interested in how some studios may set their reference levels, here's an article from Sound On Sound - 'Establishing Project Studio Reference Levels'. Maybe you've already come across it yourself. Personally, I listen to music around 72 dB average SPL C weighted when measured with my RadioShack meter. The volume knob setting to achieve this varies with source material (e.g. -20 dB on most classical, -26 on most jazz, and -30 on contemporary pop music). I call it comfortably loud.

FYI: I set my volume level at the minimum acceptable level. I turn it up and I slowly lower the volume to the point where I don’t lose anything. Your long-term hearing health will thank you.

Yage- thank you for the link. I remember seeing that article awhile back and the reread was definitely worthwhile. To be clear, my room is small. The fatigue I speak of with levels 85dB+ has more to do with that than the equipment. Lots of room gain. I have done what I can to treat it but still, high levels are tiring. 

72dB is a good recommendation. Thank you for your response.

UPDATE:

In my post on 4/30 I mentioned there was a Pass Labs XA-25 OTW.

Well, it's here and has been up and running for about 3 months.

If you have speakers that SUCK power forget it, but for the JBL 4367s the amp is great. Compared to the AHB2s the XA-25 draws you in. At times with the AHB2s I felt I needed to put up the yellow caution tape, "Do Not Approach." Not so with the XA-25. If I want louder, moving from mid to near-field does the trick. Near-field with the AHB2s is a bit much.

But for a party on the back porch I can open the windows and turn it way up with the Benchmarks. They are more convincing at loud levels.