I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.


I just can't clear my head of this. I don't want to start a measurements vs listening war and I'd appreciate it if you guys don't, but I bought a Rogue Sphinx V3 as some of you may remember and have been enjoying it quite a bit. So, I head over to AVS and read Amir's review and he just rips it apart. But that's OK, measurements are measurements, that is not what bugs me. I learned in the early 70s that distortion numbers, etc, may not be that important to me. Then I read that he didn't even bother listening to the darn thing. That is what really bugs me. If something measures so poorly, wouldn't you want to correlate the measurements with what you hear? Do people still buy gear on measurements alone? I learned that can be a big mistake. I just don't get it, never have. Can anybody provide some insight to why some people are stuck on audio measurements? Help me package that so I can at least understand what they are thinking without dismissing them completely as a bunch of mislead sheep. 

128x128russ69

The difference is O knows what's best for me, S suggests.

That is a total straw man argument.
 

A better quote might be, “Os know why I like what like”.

At least some s also know why I and others like what they like. We're very aware of every issue o brings up, the difference between s and o is what we value. In the end whatever gets you off is fine with me.

 

 

 

@russ69


Q.: “ … I just can’t clear my head of this. I don’t want to start a measurements vs listening war and I’d appreciate it if you guys don’t, but I bought a Rogue nSphinx V3 as some of you may remember and have been enjoying it quite a bit. So, I head over to AVS and read Amir’s review and he just rips it apart. ….. Help me package that so I can at least understand what they are thinking without dismissing them completely as a bunch of mislead sheep. “


 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.

P. T. Barnum

 

Nothing draws a crowd quite like a crowd.

P. T. Barnum

 

 “And in what business is there not humbug? “There’s cheating in all trades but ours,” is the prompt reply from the boot-maker with his brown paper soles, the grocer with his floury sugar and chicoried coffee, the butcher with his mysterious sausages and queer veal, the dry goods man with his “damaged goods wet at the great fire” and his “selling at a ruinous loss,” the stock-broker with his brazen assurance that your company is bankrupt and your stock not worth a cent (if he wants to buy it,) the horse jockey with his black arts and spavined brutes, the milkman with his tin aquaria, the land agent with his nice new maps and beautiful descriptions of distant scenery, the newspaper man with his “immense circulation,” the publisher with his “Great American Novel,” the city auctioneer with his “Pictures by the Old Masters”—all and every one protest each his own innocence, and warn you against the deceits of the rest. My inexperienced friend, take it for granted that they all tell the truth—about each other! and then transact your business to the best of your ability on your own judgment.”
― P.T. Barnum, The Humbugs of the World: An Account of Humbugs, Delusions, Impositions, Quackeries, Deceits and Deceivers Generally, in All Ages

 

“Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public.” ― P. T. Barnum

 

There's no such thing as bad publicity'​​​​​​​

P. T. Barnum​​​​​​​

taking a tube amp and measuring it against a modern chip amp is a lesson in futility. Engineers have been able to get cheap chip amps to measure perfectly for some time now, and the kinds of outcomes that Amir bleats from the rooftops were never in doubt. Yet people still keep buying tube amps, and will continue to do so as long as they produce the sonic goods…