I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.

@asvjerry +1

When you have a spare weekend, 64 pages on the shortcomings of ASR.

https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/audio-science-review-review.9827/

@mahgister - in fact, mahgister, I get a lot from your posts, especially if they’re nothing to do with music and listening! Which is not the case in this post, because your posts have every single thing to do with the issues being debated, even if they seem more laid to rest with atmasphere's last post in this thread, regarding his belief in the current somewhat conclusive state of acoustic measurements. I believe what you were trying to draw everyone’s attention to has to do with the absolutely subtle mystery of the things in life we think we have figured out. The world of numbers is simply as exacting as it should get, and yet….

It often seems to me, the deeper I get into the understanding of something, and the clearer it gets, the more nuance I begin to become aware of, together with the awareness of how little I actually know, pushing me to attempt fresh understanding in different ways.

But there is something i do know - a link you will like very much… ; )

It eloquently speaks about the wonderfully nuanced and unbelievable world of unknowing the way we know it : )

In friendship - kevin 

@mahgister - in fact, mahgister, I get a lot from your posts, especially if they’re nothing to do with music and listening! Which is not the case in this post, because your posts have every single thing to do with the issues being debated, even if they seem more laid to rest with atmasphere’s last post in this thread, regarding his belief in the current somewhat conclusive state of acoustic measurements. I believe what you were trying to draw everyone’s attention to has to do with the absolutely subtle mystery of the things in life we think we have figured out. The world of numbers is simply as exacting as it should get, and yet….

It often seems to me, the deeper I get into the understanding of something, and the clearer it gets, the more nuance I begin to become aware of, together with the awareness of how little I actually know, pushing me to attempt fresh understanding in different ways.

But there is something i do know - a link you will like very much… ; )

It eloquently speaks about the wonderfully nuanced and unbelievable world of unknowing the way we know it : )

 

In friendship - kevin

Thanks it feel good to be understood...

Yes this problem, the Collatz conjecture, is so simple, the simple to state there is but with no proof...

But Paul Erdos once said "Mathematics is not yet ready for such problems".

Mathematical meditation disconnect us from what we think we know...

We know what we need to know for living and walking and eating...

But what we need to know is loosing our "knowing" to be able to know anew...

We dont know what is sound, hearing, and music ....

Consciousness is music say Anirban Bandyopadhyay ...

Time itself is music say Alain Connes...

Our outer ear double spiral is the staircase to heaven...

Our ear ’s spiralling cochlea is the door to heaven....

Prime distribution and musical scale are spiralling  non commutative phenomemon like time is at his roots...

I bought an interesting   book years ago the title was " What is a spiral"?

A so complex object defined in all mathematics in different perspectives, so much so, that the border between what is a spiral and what is not is escaping us...

@jjss49-

                                                        +ONE!

reminds me back in my corporate world days, some blowhards in meetings never cease talking, as if the sound of their own voice is the only music they like to hear

when they are (rarely) silent, you quickly realize they aren’t listening, they’re just reloading...

                                                         MAKE

                                                          1984

                                                        FICTION

                                                          AGAIN