I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.

@optimize  “Have you done the experiment that you go to ASR and look up the WORST measuring power amplifier that Amir has measured.”

+1

That is an excellent idea! I believe my best system is somewhere in the middle range of all this currently and it would be a heck of a lot easier  and cheaper to find out where the bottom is then the top. I currently own four different systems that are made with components that I have tried to select representing different styles and technologies of sound reproduction. One system is a 1970s Kenwood KR1400 10 watt per channel receiver and 1970s acoustic research 2ax speakers and at the upper end of my investment is a First Watt f6 and Kef ls50s and 3 Syzygy subwoofers. There are differences for sure but they tend to be more of flavor than absolute quality. I find I can enjoy music a lot on all my systems! Moving from one to the other is the sort of education that you suggest. For me it is what this hobby is really all about, 

I do things that you purposely shouldn’t do like pairing that receiver with power-hungry speakers like the acoustic researches. Just to see how bad it can be. And you know what it usually isn’t so bad.

@asvjerry +1

When you have a spare weekend, 64 pages on the shortcomings of ASR.

https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/audio-science-review-review.9827/

@mahgister - in fact, mahgister, I get a lot from your posts, especially if they’re nothing to do with music and listening! Which is not the case in this post, because your posts have every single thing to do with the issues being debated, even if they seem more laid to rest with atmasphere's last post in this thread, regarding his belief in the current somewhat conclusive state of acoustic measurements. I believe what you were trying to draw everyone’s attention to has to do with the absolutely subtle mystery of the things in life we think we have figured out. The world of numbers is simply as exacting as it should get, and yet….

It often seems to me, the deeper I get into the understanding of something, and the clearer it gets, the more nuance I begin to become aware of, together with the awareness of how little I actually know, pushing me to attempt fresh understanding in different ways.

But there is something i do know - a link you will like very much… ; )

It eloquently speaks about the wonderfully nuanced and unbelievable world of unknowing the way we know it : )

In friendship - kevin 

@mahgister - in fact, mahgister, I get a lot from your posts, especially if they’re nothing to do with music and listening! Which is not the case in this post, because your posts have every single thing to do with the issues being debated, even if they seem more laid to rest with atmasphere’s last post in this thread, regarding his belief in the current somewhat conclusive state of acoustic measurements. I believe what you were trying to draw everyone’s attention to has to do with the absolutely subtle mystery of the things in life we think we have figured out. The world of numbers is simply as exacting as it should get, and yet….

It often seems to me, the deeper I get into the understanding of something, and the clearer it gets, the more nuance I begin to become aware of, together with the awareness of how little I actually know, pushing me to attempt fresh understanding in different ways.

But there is something i do know - a link you will like very much… ; )

It eloquently speaks about the wonderfully nuanced and unbelievable world of unknowing the way we know it : )

 

In friendship - kevin

Thanks it feel good to be understood...

Yes this problem, the Collatz conjecture, is so simple, the simple to state there is but with no proof...

But Paul Erdos once said "Mathematics is not yet ready for such problems".

Mathematical meditation disconnect us from what we think we know...

We know what we need to know for living and walking and eating...

But what we need to know is loosing our "knowing" to be able to know anew...

We dont know what is sound, hearing, and music ....

Consciousness is music say Anirban Bandyopadhyay ...

Time itself is music say Alain Connes...

Our outer ear double spiral is the staircase to heaven...

Our ear ’s spiralling cochlea is the door to heaven....

Prime distribution and musical scale are spiralling  non commutative phenomemon like time is at his roots...

I bought an interesting   book years ago the title was " What is a spiral"?

A so complex object defined in all mathematics in different perspectives, so much so, that the border between what is a spiral and what is not is escaping us...