Vintage versus New


Hi,

I recently had the chance to hear two vintage speakers, Quad 57's serial number 15,000 + and Electrovoice Aristocrats. I was already familiar with the 57's but hearing the Aristocrats was a new experience and despite using a cheap amplifier, they sounded good. These speakers can be found and the prices are good but I'm not completely sure if vintage speakers are a wise choice.

I suppose what sparks my interest is that a friend of mine had a pair of cast Western Electric horns from a pair of theater speakers and sold them to a buyer in Japan for good money. Are there vintage speakers that compete with some of the better speakers being made today?  Does today's technology make these vintage speakers obsolete? Can vintage speakers be modified and if so, how? In general, what are your thoughts?

Much Appreciated

 

goofyfoot

I am holding onto my collection of vintage Altec and JBL speakers. Their value will increase over time! Present day new speakers hold no attraction for me! I also have Infinity 2000A's, KLH Nines, Janszen ESL tweeters and two pairs of Quad 57's.

@jasonbourne52 many of these manufacturers no longer make high end speakers so yes, there value should increase. Besides the 57's which ones do you prefer?

Altec A5 would be a good place to start. EV Aristocrats are fine-sounding depending greatly on the drivers used. For the $ they go for not a bad option today. They would sound best with tubes they require a corner and the image height is low. You can put something under to move the soundstage up a bit. Or make a stand. Still if wanting a vintage loudspeaker that's not embarrassed by anything modern and you do not want to shell out Western Electric $ an Altec a5 is a good choice. I use a few loudspeakers that feature front horn loading of the bass 15" and multicell. Mine are larger, a bit better than a5 but are similar in the basic design     http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/lmco/shearer.htm 

My beloved speakers are new custom Rosewood enclosures with all electro-voice drivers, crossovers, and L-Pads. Pulled from my uncle’s 1958 Fisher President II

http://www.fisherconsoles.com/President%20II.html

It was on 8" high bronze open base, woofers firing downwards.

It’s not just nostalgia, it’s the sound! It would cost me a fortune to equal them in a new speaker today.

You need to be handy if your going to mess with Vintage anything IMO. You can pay someone else I suppose, but .....

Speakers: Woofers: There’s no point unless you are going for real bass, and that more than likely will require re-cone (most often the coil is ok). Vintage: cloth surrounds, not foam. The cloth and/or paper cone dries out, cracks ...check first, see what’s available, sometimes a full cone and coil pre-assembled can be found.

I have a full set of spare drivers, a spare woofer cone/coil kit, intend to keep em going for my son someday.

15" woofers, Model 15W (klipschorn used 15WK), monster magnet: weigh 37lbs each. Re-coned twice since I got them in 1973. Pro once, then me.

If I didn’t have a spare I would buy this one:

 

The horn tweeters T350 and Horn Midrange are original, untouched. Impregnated Linen. Surprises me every day. Restorers say "indestructible, leave em alone!!!"

Most in that era came with Level Controls, L-Pads, not pots. I just replaced mine for the 2nd time last year (16 ohms).

My recent re-acquisition/restoration of a pair of AR-2ax for my office had level controls also, I had forgotten that. Had to replace the tweeters, capacitors, level controls, look and sound awesome. I suppose I could have bought some fully restored ones, but I had fun. 250, ship 250, parts 250 +$750. What 3 way wood veneer can you buy new for $750?

You adjust the level controls in you space, by ear, darn good; or finally, I bought a sound pressure meter, tripod mount, listening position, CD with specific tones, takes a while. Confirmed those 4 horns are still doing it right! I still can’t believe it.

You can see the speakers, including one photo of them facing the floor, back off, see the parts. The crossovers are in a tar filled metal can, still doing it. Someone else would have built new crossovers long ago I suppose. They sound awesome to me and everybody who hears them, the output measures well, "if it ain’t broke don’t fix it". When I was young that seemed just stupid.

 

AR-2ax rehab